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TPS23880: How to choose MOSFET ?

Part Number: TPS23880
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: CSD19538Q3A, TPS23881, CSD

Hi guys,

I'm working on the TPS23880. I would like to understand how the engineer from texas has chosen the CSD19538Q3A to pick the good one by my self.  

From the datasheet https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tps23880.pdf?ts=1649061613598&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.ti.com%252Fproduct%252FTPS23880, there are requirements on part QPn (page 18) but I don't understand how to choose the good MOSFET for SOA requirement. 

What is the maximum pulse duration to take in consideration ? Page 63, there are three times TLIM, TSTART and TVOLD 

What is the maximum current through the transistor ? 1.25 A from page 19 

Thank you for your help !

Pierre

  • Hi Pierre,

    Please make sure the TPS23880's ILIM foldback curve and inrush foldback curve are within the SOA curve when you choose MOSFET. Thanks.

    Best regards,

    Penny

  • Hi Penny,

    Thank you for your reply even if your suggestion didn't help me.

    With the curves, the maximum current is around 1.25 A for Vds wich goes to 0 V. 

    To inject PoE, the transistor has to be closed so the gate is controlled. As we know, Vds could not be 0V because of the Rds(on). So I have to know Rds(on) for 1.25 A to find the SOA. I dind't find the Rds (on) curve function to the current on the CSD19538Q3A. How could I find it ?

    Thank you for your help

    Pierre

  • Hi Pierre,

    I don't know if I understand your question. I think there's only one SOA for each MOSFET. For example, CSD19538 has below SOA. 

    Then you refer to the foldback curve for TPS23881 and make sure the foldback curve is within the SOA range. Thanks.

    Best regards,

    Penny

  • Hi Penny,

    I forgot to tell you that i'm working with the TPS23880 evaluation module documentation.

    As you can see on the schematic : 

    Transistors are used to close the loop between VPWR and GND to injecte the power inside the RJ45 port. I need to characterize the good MOSFET to insure that his SOA is enough. I worked on the CSD to understand correctly. 

    To do that according to the figure 30 above and schematic :

    Transistor OPENED : Ids = 0 A and Vds goes to VPWR 

    Transistor CLOSED : Ids = 1.25 A and Vds goes to 0 V but it's not 0 V due to Rds (on)

    The OPENED position of the MOSFET is not important in our case because there isn't current through the transistor. We will analyse the CLOSED position. 

    Vds (MOSFET) = Rds (on) x Ids. How to find Rds(on) for Ids at 1.25 A ? This is given for 5 A only on fig 7 page 5 

    According to the SOA curve, with the practical VDS value, I could know if 1.25 A is under or upper than the Rds linear curve (grey) to insure a good life condition of the MOSFET with a marge.

    Thank you for your help

  • Pierre,

    I think you can find the Rdson from the below curve. When I=1.25A, Vgs should be between 10V to 12.5V. Thanks. 

    Best regards,

    Penny

  • Hi Penny,

    According to the page 31 of the datasheet of TPS23880 and datasheet of CSD19538Q3A, the CSD can only be used for the configuration 2xFBn =0, ALTFBn = 0 2xFBn =0, ALTFBn = 1

    If FBn = 1, current through the transistor is 1.25 A at Vdrain = 0V so SOA curve is below the application 

  • Pierre,

    As you mentioned before the Vdrain can't be 0V, so the starting point should not be Vdrain = 0 from the SOA curve.  Thanks. 

    Best regards,

    Penny

  • As you can see on figure 9-3, the current is 1.25 A while vdrain is less than 1.5 V. It means that the Rds(on) should be around 1 Ohm but it's not, here it's around 60 mOhm.

    So, Vd is not more than 0.1 V. 

    In my opinion the CSD19538Q3A can be used only for IEE compliant PD but is not protected against partial and total short circuit. 

    Regards,

    Pierre

  • Hi Pierre,

    You also need to consider the Rsense when you calculate Vdrain. Thanks.

    Best regards,

    Penny