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TPS65023: Output voltage issue

Part Number: TPS65023

Hi,

We use the TPS65023 for the Sitara MCU, the input is 5VDC, ourput voltage are 0.9V, 1.2V, 0.85V, and the output voltage waveform are abnormal that there are many voltage drop in the rising edge, 

the waveform and schematic as below:

TPS65023_sch.pdf

and we have filled the checklist in the form for your evaluating, thanks.

TPS65023_CHKLST_OK.xlsx

We consider it is the result of device of startup mechanism:

TPS56023 DCDC3 start section DEFDCDC3=0, default output 1V8, according to 1V8 start, the slope is larger and faster,

At a certain stage, switch to external resistor partial pressure to start (target output 0V85). Start according to 0V85. The slope is small and the rise is slow

Taking DCDC3 of TPS56023 as an example, the external resistor partial voltage output 1.8V has no back groove, while the external resistor partial voltage output 0.85V has a back groove.

The starting waveform of the front segment of the 0.85V back groove is the same as that of 1.8V, and the purple 1.8V yellow is 0.85V as shown below:

So please avise if we can solve this issue of the ourput vpltage drop and how to modify the schematic

  • Hi Zhang,

    I've assigned this thread to our device expert. He should get you an update by tomorrow.

    Thanks,

    Gerard

  • Hi Zhang,

    Could you provide a scope capture of the switching node before the inductor on all three bucks during power up? I would like to see what the waveform on L1, L2, and L3 looks like.

    Regards,

    James

  • Hi James,

    Please refer to below formwave for the DC/DC1=0.9V, DC/DC2=1.2V, DC/DC3=0.8

    DC/DC1: Output voltage is 0.9V

    :

    DC/DC2: Output voltage is 1.2V;

    DC/DC3: Output is 0.85V;

  • Hi Zhang,

    Thank you for providing those captures. I have an EVM that will be populated with the same resistor components on the DEFDCDCx inputs that you showed in your schematic. Once I get that board back with the components in place I will run some power up tests and update you here. I should have more information within 2 business days.

    Regards,

    James

  • Hi James,

    Many thanks for your kindly support, will wait for your testing result and we will communicate how to solve this issue, thanks.

  • Hi Zhang,

    My pleasure, I'll get back to you soon.

    Regards,

    James

  • Hi Zhang,

    The soldering request is still processing but I expect it to be done by Monday, I will get you another update by the end of the day Tuesday (2 business days).

    Regards,

    James

  • Hi Zhang,

    The soldering request is taking longer than I anticipated. There is likely a backlog of requests right now. I will continue to check for the EVM but I did some additional tests on an alternate board.

    This board is operating with the default voltage settings since it does not have resistor divider networks set up. However, I captured the start up waveforms for DCDC1, DCDC2, and DCDC3. I am not seeing the same ripple effect at the start of the power ramps but I would like to try this test on a board with the resistor dividers. Also, this EVM is not connected to a load or processor. I will include the scope captures below.

    Would you be able to send me your layout so I can take a look while the solder request finishes processing? Also, if it's possible can you disconnect the PMIC or the power rails from the processor and test the power up waveform again? Does the transient response change if there is no load on the device?

    The EVM I'm testing has a User's Guide that shows the capacitance on each power rail. It looks like they are using less capacitance than in your design. It may be helpful match the EVM specs and see if that improves transient performance.

    Slow VIN ramp: CH1 - VIN, CH2 - VDCDC1CH3 - VDCDC2, CH4 - VDCDC3

    Fast VIN ramp: CH1 - VIN, CH2 - VDCDC1CH3 - VDCDC2, CH4 - VDCDC3

    Regards,

    James

  • Hi James,

    Thanks for your detail testing procedure for the TPS65023, and we test our board again and the result as below:

    1. We start the DC/DC3 according to the default voltage 1.8VDC, the start waveform as below( the ripple effect at the start is small):

    2. We start the DC/DC3 according to the external resistance feedback(for example 1.8VDC), the waveform as below(the ripple effect at the start is obvious):

    3.The light and heavy load are the same effect for the waveform, and we can't disconnet the load;

    4. I modfiy the design of the load capacitor to 22uF, but the testing result is same;

    5. Layout for your kindly evaluating:

    1) Layout top silk layer:

    2) Layout top layer

    3) Layout power layer:

    4) Layout signal layer

    5)Layout bottom layer:

  • Hi Zhang,

    Thanks for providing all the information. I will take a look and get back to you early next week. I will also consult one of the other engineers who has handled this part to see if they have any additional insight.

    Regards,

    James

  • Hi Zhang,

    I got the soldered EVM back and was able to run some tests. Here are the scope captures from each power rail. It looks like our EVM also shows a similar behavior on the startup ramp of the power rails when the voltage is set using the resistor divider network. After seeing these captures, I would say that the behavior you are seeing on your board is not far from what we also see on our EVM which is a reference for correct operation. Knowing this, I would not be too concerned about the ripple effect and voltage drop at the start of your waveforms. If you want to smooth out operation you can try adjusting the capacitance or inductance values but I wouldn't look for a perfectly flat ramp response as this is not what is seen even on our EVM example.

    DEFDCDC1 = VCC,   CH1 - VIN, CH2 - VDCDC1

    DEFDCDC1 = Custom Setting, CH1 - VIN, CH2 - VDCDC1

    DEFDCDC2 = VCC, CH1 - VINCH3 - VDCDC2

    DEFDCDC2 = Custom Setting, CH1 - VINCH3 - VDCDC2

    DEFDCDC3 = VCC, CH1 - VIN,  CH3 - VDCDC3

    DEFDCDC3 = Custom Setting, CH1 - VIN,  CH3 - VDCDC3

    Regards,

    James