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TPS3808: True Accuracy of TPS3808

Part Number: TPS3808

Searching thru this forum provides some confusing statements regarding the TPS3808 and its delay time in regard to accuracy. 

Calculating the delay time with the equation given in the datasheet is easy to find a nominal and min/max based solely on capacitor variance but does not take into account device tolerances like the current source or voltage reference. 

In this post, it says that the min/max values listed in the table from the datasheet has a 20% tolerance on the capacitor and around a 40% total variance on the device INCLUDING the capacitor. It then states that if a 5% capacitor is used, a 30% tolerance can be assumed. 

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In this post, it is implied that the delay times in the table uses ideal capacitance. The listed min/max times in the table show a ~40% variance. This implies that the device tolerance is 40% NOT taking into account capacitor tolerance. 

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Please answer each of these questions so a true worst case can be calculated:

1. Does the 40% tolerance in the datasheet table assume a 20% capacitor tolerance for min/max times or does the capacitor tolerance need added on top of that 40% range?.

2. What is the tolerance band on the 220nA current source used to charge the capacitor?

3. What is the tolerance range on the 1.23V reference internal to the TPS3808? 

4. Are there other factors not listed in the datasheet (besides capacitor variance, the 220nA current source, the 1.23V reference, and parasitic capacitance) that could affect accuracy?

Thank you for your time and I look forward to hearing back from you.

  • Hi Brain,

    Thank you for your question. I have the answer to your questions below.

    1. Does the 40% tolerance in the datasheet table assume a 20% capacitor tolerance for min/max times or does the capacitor tolerance need added on top of that 40% range?.

    The ±40% variation accounts for device variation, temperature, capacitor tolerance at 20%, and additional guard bands.

    2. What is the tolerance band on the 220nA current source used to charge the capacitor?

    3. What is the tolerance range on the 1.23V reference internal to the TPS3808? 

    For the current source and voltage reference tolerance are both included in the guard bands and accounted for in the 40%. The specifics of the tolerance of both, I will need to discuss with our design team if I am able to disclose that information in this forum.

    4. Are there other factors not listed in the datasheet (besides capacitor variance, the 220nA current source, the 1.23V reference, and parasitic capacitance) that could affect accuracy?

    Aside from the once you listed, I would add temperature, that should be it. 

    Jesse  

  • Thank you, Jesse. 

    For #1 above - would it be safe to assume that a 20% tolerance is on the device if I take the capacitor away? For instance, if I wanted to use a C0G dielectric capacitor that has a much better tolerance than 20%, would I be able to say 20% on the device + my capacitor variance?

    For #2 and #3, if possible, you can provide that to me privately thru my listed company e-mail.

    Thank you again! 

  • Hi Brian,

    Even with a COG capacitor I would still recommend to use ±40%, solely because in the datasheet, with CT open, the variation is still ±40%. 

    Also I am not able to disclose the info for #2 and #3.

    Jesse