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TPS1685: Power supply or'ing application: Questions about current/load balancing, Calculation Spreadsheet Review Request, and release schedule

Part Number: TPS1685
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TPS2660

Tool/software:

Hi TI team, 

We are considering designing in the TPS1685 into something similar to a diode "or'ing" application- but with strict load-balancing requirements. In this application, two (2) individual 40VDC power supplies are connected to the inputs of two (2) individual TPS1685 devices. The outputs of these two TPS1685 devices are then connected through diodes to a common output net (Vout) from which the total load current is drawn. The power supply output voltages, output impedances, and current sourcing capabilities are all within ±0.01% of each other. (i.e. they are very well matched)

A few considerations follow:

  • Each power supply can source ≤2A of current
  • The application requires that the equal current sharing between the two supplies must be maintained- even when the current is ≤0.1A.
  • The capacitance added to this unified output net Vout is ≈12mF. From a cold-start, we cannot draw more than 1A of current without causing a fault on the power supplies, but we can allow several seconds to charge the capacitor bank if necessary.
  • Ideally, the over-current blanking time would be ≈30-100mS

My questions are as follows:

  1. I have completed the calculation worksheet and have attached it here to this post for your review. Can you please review and let me know if you see any concerns for this application?
  2. Can you help me understand how the load-balancing is achieved between two TPS1685 devices placed in parallel? It seems that the only way to balance the output current of two (2) TPS1685 devices would be to allow the RDSon of the internal mosfet of one of the two devices (i.e. the one which is sourcing more current than the other) to increase, so that the other e-fuse can "catch up" in terms of output power it is delivering. Is this an accurate summary of how the current is balanced between the two?
  3. Considering that these devices have very low RDSon and are capable of sourcing very high currents, do you think we will have any issue trying to balance the currents at such a low output current level? With such low output currents is there enough "Dynamic Range" to get the two e-fuses to equally balance?
  4. When do you anticipate these devices will be released to production? It seems that the datasheet is still showing "Advance Information" and they are listed as pre-production. There also doesn't appear to be any stock on the evaluation modules, but there is some small quantities of the ICs themselves. 

Thank you in advance for your help and I look forward to hearing back from you on these questions!
TPS1685_CALC_P0_WLBY.xlsx

  • Hi,

    Let me check and get back on this.

    Regards 

    Kunal Goel 

  • Thanks Kunal!

    Do you think we could get some answers within the next 12-18hrs? We are pushing for a hardware release by end of week and I'm a little concerned about the choice of the TPS1685 with it being bit of a newer device without having a lot of confidence that it can support the application.

    Really appreciate your help with this- thanks in advance!
    Cody 

  • Hi,

    TPS1685 will not be suitable here.

    You can use device like TPS2660. Then you do not need diode. You can operate device in current limit, so both paths will have same current limit. 

    Regards

    Kunal Goel

  • Hi Kunal- thank you for the feedback. Can you help us understand your primary concerns about using the TPS1685?

    I am reviewing the TPS2660 data sheet now, but would like to understand the comparison a little better.

  • Also, to clarify one consideration: The goal is not that the two converters limit their current at the same threshold, but that the current traveling through each of the converters to always be matched- whether sourcing 2A or 2mA. Does the TPS2660 have current balancing similar to the TPS1685? Or are you just saying that the current limit for each path, when it trips, will be at the same threshold?

  • Let me check and get back.

  • Hi Kunal- awaiting your input on this topic. We are holding a design and would appreciate a quick and detailed response. Perhaps you could attempt to recreate this on your EVM and see what happens? We would do this, but it seems that the Ti.com store doesn't have any more of the EVMs in stock. 

    Really appreciate your help- thanks in advance!

  • Hi,

    1. TPS1685 does not have reverse current blocking so you need to ensure that VIN1 and VIN 2 are closely matched. Scenario where there is large mismatch then one supply will power another and you will not fulfill the application requirement. 

    2. If both VIN supplies are matched then active current sharing scheme of TPS1685 will work but concern is the current sharing accuracy at low current level. Accuracy will not be good at 2A level because device current monitoring accuracy itself will not be good.

    Also TPS2660 does not have active current sharing. Looks like we don't have ideal device for your requirement. 

    Regards

    Kunal Goel

  • Hi Kunal- thanks for your response! Do you know if the current balancing of the TPS1685 has been characterized over output level? Would it be possible to get this current balancing characterization data? It would be really helpful if you could help us with this information!

  • Hi Dowling,

    As of now we dont have that data. Please wait for the final web release datasheet. Right now it is preview stage.

    Regards

    Kunal Goel

  • Thanks Kunal- do you have an expected date that this device will RTP?

  • Hi ,

    I do not have info on that as of now.

    Also I cannot confirm whether we will be characterizing ACS.  I can only confirm that is TPS1685 is not recommended for the application you are using. It is a device designed for active current sharing and for equal load sharing applications with different supplies. 

    The purpose of ACS scheme is to ensure FET reliability when devices are paralleled so that one FET does not take up all current. 

    Regards

    Kunal Goel