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TPS7A85: TPS7A85 design mismatches between webench and datasheet

Part Number: TPS7A85


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Hi TI team,

I am designing a power supply circuit to power up a ASIC. For detail it's a 1.5V input and 1.2V/3.6A output design by using TPS7A8500RGRR. it seems OK with these parameters by checking datasheet, about the VDO: please find in"TPS7A85 datasheet (Rev. A), figure 23 and figure 24", for input is 1.5V/4A, the VDO is under 300mV so 1.2V/3.6A output is possible.

but when using webench checking this, type in "Vin min=1.5V, Vin Max=1.55V, Vout=1.2V, Iout max=3.6A", it says "Design update failed. LDO Voltage Drop does not meet requirement", if I change the Vin to 1.55V, webench can launch normally. but in this situation, the "Safe Operating Area" chart is different to the RACO chart in datasheet, figure 60:

so could you please help check with these two problems?

Thank you for your support.

  • Hey Lu,

    I'm looking into the webench error. The graph in the datasheet is labeled as Vin-Vout, the one from webbench is in input voltage. they both line up the same when you do the math.

    Thanks,

    Vahnroy

  • Hello Vahnroy,

    Thank you for your prompt response, I still have some confusion, please advise:

    1. For my application, "a 1.5V input and 1.2V/3.6A output design by using TPS7A8500RGRR", the input voltage 1.5V is allowed by datasheet while not allowed by webench:

    • these are the evidences in datasheet:

    you can see in fig.23/24 above, I draw a RED LINE to indicate where the 1.5V inpit is, both of them show VDO at 1.5V input is under 300mV(Iout=4A higher than 3.6A), which means 1.2V output is OK;

    the other one is as above in chap."6.5 Electrical Characteristics" which indicates a possible VDO for 1.4V Vin is 215mV, and so 1.5V Vin is likely under 300mV too.

    • now this is what it looks like in webench:

    I type in the params above then click "open design", and the error pops up:

    so the webench warms that input voltage is NOT ok, when I change the Vin to 1.55V, the webench can launch normally:

    so there is some mistake between datasheet and webench, what do you think? Which result should I follow?

    2.

    • When set the Vin=1.55V as above and do the design in webench, the "Safe Operating Area" chart X-Axis shows up as below in EXPORT label:

    I download data of this chart by "save as -xlsx" option, and the data is:

    Input Voltage Safe Operating Area@ Safe Operating Area Safe Operating Area@ Operating Point
    1.4 2.169197397
    1.451515152 2.72793006
    1.503030303 3.286662723
    1.554545455 3.845395386 3.6
    1.606060606 4

    seems like webench simulate a max allowed input voltage for Iout=3.6A is 1.55V.

    • and this is what I can get from datasheet:

    I draw some lines to split 0.25~0.5V(Vin-Vout, it's VDO) equally, and can estimate that for a VDO=0.3V the Iout is above 3.6A, which conflicts the result in webench.

    So which results can I follow indeed, thank you.

  • attach my SCH:

  • Hey Lu.

    Can you try changing ambient temperature to 25 and rerun the design.

    Thanks

    Vahnroy

  • Hi Vahnroy,

    Thank you for the response. And this is the 25 deg. ambient temp input, keeping the other inputs as my application requires:

    Now the webench remains warning me, just like the 30 deg. situation:

    so I have to change the input to 1.55~1.57V, and the webench launches:

    while in this situation, the "Safe Operating Area" chart data seems like no change from yesterday:

    Input Voltage Safe Operating Area@ Safe Operating Area Safe Operating Area@ Operating Point
    1.4 2.169197
    1.451515152 2.72793
    1.503030303 3.286663
    1.554545455 3.845395 3.6
    1.606060606 4
    1.657575758 4

    Can I just assume that this is just a webench issue and ignore, and use 1.5V input as datasheet?

    Thank you for your support.

  • Hey,

    Yes you can just ignore it. The datasheet takes precedence over anything else. I have reviewed your schematic and use case and find no issues.

    Thanks,

    Vahnroy

  • Thank you so much Vahnroy, I'll do as you suggested.