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LM5141-Q1: LM5141 Failure to Regulate - Inductor Issue or Stability Issue?

Part Number: LM5141-Q1
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TPS62150

Hello,

I've just started testing a design I'm using with a power stage based off the LM5141-Q1. There is also a TPS62150 providing a secondary rail. 

My design requirements are 24Vin, 3.3V out @ 2A max, 1.9V out @ 1A max. Here is my schematic as well as the WebBench schematic that was generated for this case (they should be identical),

LM5141 Design.pdf

So I'm having this issue, when I hook up a DC load to test the power stage (hook up to the 3.3V output) and draw any more than ~0.1A, the power output cuts off and then periodically tries to restart (roughly 15Hz), as seen here: 

It turns out, after some examination, that the inductor I am using only has a saturation current of ~.25A, and a current rating of ~0.3A. This was pretty surprising seeing as this was one of the inductors that WebBench listed as an acceptable alternate to that in the PDF. Even so, I should have looked more closely. 

It runs quite hot as well, about 71 degC with ~0.5A of current (measured using Rsense). Not altogether unexpected. 

Interestingly, when I run the same design again on WebBench I get very different values of inductors. For the same input/output conditions, sometimes it suggests a 3.3uH inductor @ 2.2MHz, sometimes at 15uH inductor at 440kHz, sometimes something else entirely. And of course with different compensation networks. 

So my question is: what is the primary cause of this behavior? Is this a stability problem, or an inductor saturation problem? I.e. if I had the same value inductor with a higher saturation current would this problem go away? Or is the problem a control-loop stability problem that will require tuning the compensation network or making other changes? Is failure to regulate as the inductor saturation current is reached a common behavior? I'm about to go through the full design process for the LM5141-Q1 but I want more experienced eyes to make sure I'm not overlooking something that may be an issue.

Thank you for any help!

  • I would first try to replace the inductor with one having a larger current rating; even if temporarily, and see if that helps.

  • Just received a few inductors I had overnighted...biggest that would fit this footprint is a 1.6A saturation current rating. Now the voltage rail is stable right up to ~1.6A (through the sense resistor) after which it fails to regulate and exhibits the same behavior.

    So it would seem that's the problem! I suppose that makes sense as once the inductor core is saturated the inductance drops and throws the control loop out of whack. The methods and equations given in the datasheet result in saturation current requirement of >= 3.05A under worst case conditions. I will still finish the compensation loop calculations to make sure I've covered all the bases.

    Thanks!