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LP8725: Maximum Output capacitor on LDOs

Part Number: LP8725

HI Team,

For the TI LP8725TLE-D PMIC we are using on our product, the LDO and LILO output capacitance spec is:

 

 

We have found that with the maximum specified output capacitance of 20uF, the regulator turn-on voltage ramp rates are:

LDO 4 & 5:          ~30mV/uS

LILO 1 & 2:          ~25mV/us

 

One device on our board has a voltage ramp rate restriction of 18mV/uS, above which its ESD protection could be triggered.

To meet this ramp rate requirement we have had to increase total capacitance on these regulators to:

LDO 4 & 5 (1.8V):             48.4uF

LILO 1 & 2 (0.8V):             38.5uF

 

In both cases, only 2.2uF X7S 0402 ceramic is at the PMIC output

with the rest of the capacitance being at the load – to which these supplies are tracked (not planed).
I estimate the track resistance to the capacitance at the load to be at least 125mOhms – which the PMIC will see in addition to the cap ESR

 

Do you see any risks to the stability of these regulators?

 

What is the reason for the maximum capacitance specification on these regulators?

 

Reading online about LDO stability generally, it seems that too low ESR can be an issue – and higher value ceramic capacitors do generally have lower ESR,

but in our case this isn’t what the PMIC sees as these are at the load. Are there any other issues with high load capacitance?

 

The results of a quick load transient test in the lab with and without this extra capacitance don’t show any significant differences …

 

  • Hi Ajayt,

    In general LDOs has specified capacitance and ESR range for the reason that they determine poles and zeros in a system and affects stability.
    Most critical for the stability is the capacitor close to LDO output. It is possible that the power trace resistance compensates bigger capacitance and 2.2uF defines major part in the transfer function and bigger capacitance affect in the load end is very minor.

    Thread has been assigned to the device expert.

    Best regards,
    Jari Niemelä
  • Hi Ajayt,

    20uF is simply guaranteed by design, but as you proved in the transient test it can still be stable with other loads.

    Best Regards,
    Rick S.