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Pins of UC2844A

Other Parts Discussed in Thread: UC2844A, UC1844A, UC1843A, UC1845A, UC1842A

We have question about UC2844A.

(UC2844ADTR)

Is NC pin connected to other pin or circuit inside the IC about UC2844ADTR?

We are concerned that the IC breaks out when our customers connects external circuit to NC pin by mistake in mounting process.

We want to think about measures in advance if NC pin is connected to other pin or circuit inside the IC.

There are no concerns in mistake of mounting process if NC pin is not connected to other pin or circuit inside the IC.

Best regards,

Takahiro Nishizawa

  • Hello Takahiro-san,

    Thank you for your interest in the UC2844A PWM controller.

    The documentation for the bonding of this part is not readily available, so I spoke with an IC designer about this question.  He said that generally the "NC" pins do not have any internal connections, but to be certain about it, one can use an ohmmeter and measure the resistance from each NC pin to the GND pin (not to PGND pin).

    They should read very high resistance (Meg-ohms) in both polarities of the meter probes.

    I hope this resolves your concerns.

    Regards,
    Ulrich

  • Thank you for your answer!

    We think internal circuit of NC pin is different by products.

    Because your member said this:https://e2e.ti.com/support/power-management/f/196/p/807284/2994133#2994133

     it may connect with internal circuit for possible unexposed functionality, some manufacturers may designate some pins for their internal use only

    (e.g. calibration or testing)

    We want to know the information about UC2844ADCR if NC pin is connected to other pin or circuit inside the IC  and

    we want to avoid pin connection mistakes in mounting process.

    NC pin of UC2844ADCR is not connected to other pin or circuit inside the IC.

    Is this understanding correct?

    Best regards,

    Takahiro Nishizawa

  • Thank you for your answer!

    How is your situation?

    We hope earlier answer.

    Best regards,

    Takahiro Nishizawa

  • Hello Takahiro san,

    In order to be certain that there are no internal bonds from the "NC" pins to a circuit on the IC, it is necessary to consult with the factory to check the wire-bond document.  This document is not readily available, so I have an inquiry sent to the factory about it.

    I am not sure when I will receive a reply, but I will check with them each day to get the answer.

    Regards,
    Ulrich

  • Thank you for your support!

    We are waiting for earlier answer.

    Best regards,

    Takahiro Nishizawa

  • Thank you for your support!

    How is your situation?

    We are waiting for your answer.

    Best regards,

    Takahiro Nishizawa

  • Hello Takahiro san,

    I received an answer from the factory this morning and I can now tell you with certainty that all pins of the UC2844A that are labeled "NC" have absolutely no connections to any internal circuits.  The NC pins are truly open and floating.  I expect that external connections made by mistake to any NC pin are very unlikely to cause any problem to the controller, since the external circuits near the controller are typically low-voltage and low frequency. 

    I will make exceptions to this statement for mistaken connections to external circuits that carry very high voltage or very high frequency content (>> switching frequency).  Although there will be no direct circuit contact, excess voltage stress may cause a breakdown; and in the case of high frequency, pin-to-pin capacitance may possibly couple noise into an adjacent-pin controller function.  These situations should be avoided.

    I have received the bond-wire diagram for the UC2844A to verify this statement.  This applies to all devices in the UC1842A, UC1843A, UC1844A, and UC1845A family of controllers (ref datasheet: www.ti.com/.../uc2844a.pdf ).

    I am unable to provide you with the actual document because it contains other proprietary information. 
    I hope this reply is sufficient for your customer's assurance. 

    Regards,
    Ulrich

  • Thank you for your support!

    We understand your answer.

    Your answer : 

    I will make exceptions to this statement for mistaken connections to external circuits that carry very high voltage or very high frequency content (>> switching frequency). 

    Do you know the concrete value about very high voltage or very high frequency?

    For example, over --V or over --kHz.

    Best regards,

    Takahiro Nishizawa

  • Hello Takahiro san,

    I'm sorry, but there are no concrete values for these parameters.  There are no test programs for these.  I cannot make any guarantees on behalf of TI. 
    At this point, it becomes a matter of engineering judgment with regard to the IC characteristics and the circuit in which it is used.  

    The highest Absolute Maximum voltage rating for the device is 30V for VCC with respect to GND.  One can reasonably infer that the molding compound of the IC can safely withstand up to 30V between any set of pins with respect to each other.  I can guess that the plastic is probably good for 40V, maybe 50V.  Who knows how high before long term reliability is compromised?  If the customer has other circuits nearby with voltages above 30V, then I recommend that they be moved away to avoid any mistaken connections. 

    As for noise from high frequency, the customer should examine each pin next to a NC pin and assess its susceptibility to noise currents.  What level of noise current will cause a significant amount of interference?  Using the equation i = C*dv/dt, a few pF of pin capacitance can transmit a few uA of noise current if the dv/dt exceeds 1V/us. Can 10uA noise current disturb operation of a function? 100uA? 1mA?  Such an assessment must be made on each of the circuits involved to determine whether a mistaken connection to an NC pin might cause interference from high frequency (high dv/dt) or not.

    It is up to the customer, now, to examine the impacts of any mistaken connection, and determine the risk of a bad consequence. 

    Regards,
    Ulrich