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UCC28702: UCC28702

Part Number: UCC28702
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: UCC28700

Hi Eric,

We redesigned our transformer and the basic functionality of circuit is working fine.

We tested entire input range from 85 to 305V AC and current from 250mA to 1A and is working perfectly. But we facing issue with lower currents below 150mA, the output voltage is continuously fluctuating between 4V to 5V in particular input voltage ranges like 170V AC to 240V AC and above 270V AC.

Can you please suggest and guide us in this regard.

Thanks in advance.

Ramgopal.

  • We designed power supply with UCC28702.The basic functionality of circuit is working fine.

    We tested entire input range from 85 to 305V AC and current from 250mA to 1A and is working perfectly. But we facing issue with lower currents below 150mA, the output voltage is continuously fluctuating between 4V to 5V in particular input voltage ranges like 170V AC to 240V AC and above 270V AC.

    Can you please suggest and guide us in this regard.

    Thanks in advance.

    Ramgopal

  • Hello Ramgopal, 

    I'll try to help you debug this issue.  Looking back your previous E2E thread correspondence with Eric, I saw in your schematic diagram that the primary MOSFET is SPW11N80C3 and the output for this converter is 5V /1A.  The the 5-W power level the SPW11N80C3 is greatly over-sized. 

    Although it may appear to work, I think the extremely high Coss may be the cause of this problem. 

    Waveforms of the output (and other signals) would be a big help, but since none are available, my guess is that the huge Coss is causing a long turn-off delay, which in turn causes excessive peak primary current, which in turn drives the switching frequency much lower than expected for regulation.  At loads less than ~150mA, I think the controller cannot reduce the frequency low enough to regulate and the output goes into an over-voltage condition. The controller detects this OV and shuts down the switching.   Then it recycles start-up and runs up into OVP again, and repeats.  Meanwhile the light-load condition does not pull down the output voltage much below 4V before the next restart cycle happens, so the output fluctuates between ~4V and ~5V as you describe.  This is less likely to happen at lower voltages because the peak current is not driven as high during the turn-off delay and the frequency stays within the controller's capability. 

    I recommend that you change to a much smaller MOSFET.  
    In this design review document  page 11 indicates that a 4.5ohm MOSFET was used  at this power level.  I suggest to find an 800-V device with on-resistance around 4~5 ohms. 

    With a much shorter turn-off delay, the controller can keep control over the peak current and should be able to regulate down to almost 0A.  Since there is a minimum switching frequency, you will need a minimum load, and I see in the schematic that you do have a "pre-load" of 124ohm = 40mA minimum load.  This is rather high, and after changing the MOSFET, you may be able to reduce this pre-load considerably as well.  

    Regards,
    Ulrich

  • Hi Ulrich,

    Thank you very much for your detailed replay and your efforts.

    We will change the FET and will continue the testing. Once finished we will share the results.

    Regards,

    Ramgopal.

  • Hi Ulrich,

    We replace the FET with having 4.8ohms RDS(on)max.(STD2HNK60Z-1) and tested the circuit.

    We got better results compare to earlier. But still the problem persists in no load conditions and input voltage above 175V AC

    Earlier the output of the power supply getting stabilized above 150mA + 124ohms bleeder resistor.

    After changing the FET it is getting stabilized with 50mA + 124ohms bleeder resistor.

    Without 50mA external load and having only 124 ohms bleeder resistor, we are getting the problem.

    Please find the waveforms for your reference and please guide us in this regard.

    Note: Yellow waveform is VDD of UCC28702 and Green waveform is FET Gate drive.

    Output Waveform with 124ohm bleeder resistor without external load.(Green colour)

     

  • Hello Ramgopal, 

    I'm glad that replacing the FET had some positive results, though not as much as I had hoped for.   Evidently there is another overriding issue, but the smaller FET is still a good idea to keep in place.  

    In the "50mA" screenshot, the gate pulses occur at ~18.6us intervals, which is ~54kHz.  This seems to be a relatively high frequency for such a small load.  In the next screenshot, the external 50mA is removed, and the operation becomes sporadic.  VDD shows significant increase each time before the "burst" stops.  There seems to be a time lag in sensing the output voltage.  The third screenshot indicates that the low Vout is not being sensed by the controller.  I have some ideas on what might be happening, but I'd prefer not to speculate without more information. 

    At this point, all I have to go on is the schematic diagram from your previous E2E thread with Eric.  Presumably that has been modified, but the extent of changes is unknown to this thread.  Please provide your latest up-to-date schematic diagram with all component values as they exist now on your board. Also, please include the transformer parameters Lm, Llk, and Nps, Npa turns ratios.  In the old schematic, some parts were labeled "DNP".  If there are any in the latest schematic, please indicate whether they actually are populated or not.  

    Regards,

    Ulrich

  • Hi Ulrich,

    Thank you so much for your support.

    Please find the schematic with updated values and Transformer datasheet for your reference.

    Regards,

    Ramgopal.

  • Hello Ramgopal, 

    Thank you for the additional information.  I entered your design values into the UCC28700 Design Calculator ( ) and it recommended some significantly different values for 2 of your components: R103 and R95. 

    I recommend to:

    a) change R103 from 6.98K to 840ohm (or closest standard value to 840R, +/-),

    b) change R95 from 487R to 65R (or less, not more). 

    I believe that item (a) is most likely to solve your light-load operating issue at high line.  The existing 6.98K is injecting far too much high-line offset to the CS input and making it difficult for the controller to achieve the proper peak current needed at high line. 

    Item (b) is not yet an apparent problem, but the existing value could add a voltage spike to Vds far in excess of the 600-V rating of the new MOSFET.  With less than 65R at this location, the 600-V rated MOSFET should have decent margin to its max Vds rating. 
    However, the calculator assumes that a fixed TVS voltage clamp is being used.  Since you are using an RCD clamp instead (which is perfectly fine to do), make sure that the clamp cap value at C37 is high enough to maintain sufficient margin to the MOSFET max rating at max output load and max input line. 

    Please let me know if the light-load high-line operation problem is solved.  (Note: If so, you may investigate increasing R98 as well to reduce Pstby.)

    Regards,
    Ulrich

  • Hi Ulrich,

    Greetings of the Day! Thanks for your quick response.

    We replaced R103 with 845 ohms,R98 also tuned to 1.5K and replaced R92 with TVS Diode (P6KE82A).We found very good results, the issue resolved at lower currents and higher voltages.

    But we are getting very low glitches on Vdd pin of controller at lower voltages i.e 85V to 150V @ 50mA load only. No issue @ no load, No issue @ 25mA load and no issue @ >100mA load.

    Please find below image for your reference. (Yellow colur : VDD of controller, Green colour: Gate drive of FET).

    At Same condition ,getting around 80mV ripple in the output. Please find the below waveform for your reference. 

    (Green colour :Output Waveform)


    Please verify and guide us in this regard.

    Thanks & Regrads,

    Ramgopal

  • Hello Ramgopal,

    I'm glad the previous problem was resolved. This new issue I believe originates from operation around the lower AM/FM transition point of the UCC28702 Control Law (see page 14 of datasheet).  Here, the lower loads are firmly down the Lower FM curve, and the higher loads are firmly up into the AM region, but the 50mA load seems to be very close to the transition point between the two operating modes.

    Apparently perturbations in the waveform sensing at the VS input are confusing the controller somewhat and it can't decide whether to be in the AM or FM region and settle to a steady state. Instead it is overshooting first one way, then over compensating to the other way and back and forth.  Since there are no external components for stability, only increasing the output capacitance can reduce or eliminate this effect if the output ripple is unacceptable.  The ripple on VDD is of no concern or consequence.  Make sure that any capacitance at the VS pin is minimized as much as possible.

    Regards,
    Ulrich