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TPS23750: Auxiliary power using option 3 failure

Part Number: TPS23750

Hello, I have a PD design for a 5.0V isloated (flyback) power converter, primarily cribbed from the Evaluation board HPA108. I have inserted an aux power source as per option 3. The aux source is approximately 5.0V, but will be lower than the 5.0V output of the PD due to the ORing diode. Normally the system works properly, in that the PoE source is the preferred power source, even when the aux power is connected. The problem comes in when both sources are connected and the PoE network cable is removed. The system will quickly enter a continuous power-up/reset/power-down loop. My initial debug suggests that after the cable is removed, the residual charge on the V48 PoE input keeps the regulator operational (FET switching). As the V48 depletes, it reaches a point whereby the aux 5V power is higher than the PoE output voltage, and the switching will back-drive through the fly-back transformer and charge up the V48. The aux input doesn't have enough power to back-drive fully, so it will cut out, then the PoE will kick back in, but will deplete the V48 again. When the aux recovers, the cycle will continue. Would somebody be able to explain the cause and possibly suggest a remedy?

I am not sure the best way to address this issue. One option I considered is to attempt to prevent back-drive by putting a series blocking diode in the primary side of the transformer, but this had disastrous results in that something was damaged on the board, although I haven't diagnosed which part yet. I was also wondering if I could put an alternate UVLO circuit on the primary side, to shut down the switching if V48 drops below a pre-set value. I understand the device already has UVLO, but it appears to not kick in soon enough. If I add an additional UVLO, could someone suggest the best way to add, without in preventing startup under normal conditions?

I look forward to your reply.

  • Hello Brian,

    Thank you for all of the details of your question, as it helps us understand what is going on. When using ORing option 3, it is expected behavior to see back drive in a synchronous rectified design when switching to adapter power, if unaccounted for. This is mentioned in the app note, but it is not fully explained how to do it. 

    The need here is to block the current. One option is to use a diode on the secondary side. Instead, I would suggest using a p-mux. This device will block the back drive current and allow for seamless transition. With the power levels in this circuit, I would recommend the TP2121 http://www.ti.com/product/TPS2121

    Regards,

    Michael Pahl

  • Michael, Thank you for your suggestion. This part looks interesting. To further explain my situation, I have a main board which is optionally powered by up to 2 sources. As it happens, I am using the traditional OR diodes to share these two sources. The PoE source is intended to be fully contained on a daughter-board, which is a factory installed option. At this point, I was hoping to not modify the main board, since it is mainly completed. If I do have to modify it, I may consider this part for managing the two power sources on the main board. I wonder if I could also use this part to manage the one power source on the daughter board, whereby the second source will be "nothing"? If so, this may resolve my issues. Otherwise, I may have to insert a classic OR diode in the path of the daughter board, but I would like not to do this because of the extra PoE power loss it would create. What would be ideal is a part similar to this but it only has one input, and would monitor the Vdiff between input and output and shutdown if that gets reversed.

    In any case, there is no way I can easily prototype this because of the device package. I will have to generate a new pcb to test it.

  • Hello Brian,

    The power mux was intended to mux between the PoE power stage and the 5V adapter input.  

    A 'one input' part would be a load switch: 

    Regards,

    Michael Pahl