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BQ20Z45-R1: Ship Mode questions for both bq20z45-R1 and bq20z65-R1

Part Number: BQ20Z45-R1
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: BQ20Z65-R1, , BQ40Z50-R2

Working on a device that has batteries using the bq20z45-R1 and the bq20z65-R1. Have a couple of questions that I cannot find how the AFE operates for exiting and entering Ship Mode.

1) Exiting Ship Mode

How long does it take the AFE to wake and need to see the pack voltage at or greater than the Charger Present voltage?

The current batteries define the Charger Present voltage a 3.00 V and the AFE wake at 5.00 V?

- How long does the AFE take to wake (and defined spec?)

- How long does voltage at the terminal need to be present to wake the AFE and have the AFE exit Ship Mode? (any minimum time spec?)

2)  Entering Ship Mode

Had a situation where there was voltage leakage to the battery from the device (~ 5.5 V). The battery defined the Ship Mode Delay as 5 seconds.

When commanding the battery to Ship Mode (2-consecutive Manufacturing Access Shutdown commands), the battery after 5-seconds would trip the FETs (i.e. voltage dropped from 16 V to the leakage voltage of 5.5 V).

Due to the Leakage, the AFE did not lose power, thus after the second delay of 5 seconds, the battery was not fully in Ship Mode, but while the leakage voltage was present, the battery FETs remained OFF. After ~4.5 minutes, the battery would recover on it's own, i.e. FETs enabled and the voltage would jump up to the battery 16 V.

Not specified in the documents, but does the AFE have a timeout when trying to enter Ship Mode? If the voltage never dropped below 5 V to  bring down the AFE, does the AFE keep the FETs tripped but has a internal timeout of ~4.5 minutes to restore the FETs since the voltage did not drop below the Charger Present (3 V)? 

Just trying to under stand what the fuel gauge / AFE is doing here?

Thanks,
Don ...

  • We will take a look and get back to you.

    Andy

  • Thanks Andy! Appreciated.

    Don ...

  • Hello Don,

    Don Carlson2 said:
    How long does it take the AFE to wake and need to see the pack voltage at or greater than the Charger Present voltage?

    It takes > 3s, which is the AFE twake spec in datasheet plus FW initialization to ensure pack voltage at or greater than the Charger Present voltage. Note AFE wake must occur first to trigger FW initialization.

    Don Carlson2 said:
    - How long does the AFE take to wake (and defined spec?)

    Please refer to twake (AFE Wake Timer) spec in datasheet https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/bq40z50.pdf? on how long it takes for AFE to wake. 

    Don Carlson2 said:
    Not specified in the documents, but does the AFE have a timeout when trying to enter Ship Mode? If the voltage never dropped below 5 V to  bring down the AFE, does the AFE keep the FETs tripped but has a internal timeout of ~4.5 minutes to restore the FETs since the voltage did not drop below the Charger Present (3 V)? 

    What is your delay time set to? see TRM below.

    5.4.2 ManufacturerAccess() MAC Shutdown In SHUTDOWN mode, the device turns off the FETs after FET Off Time, and then shuts down to minimize power consumption after Delay time. FET Off Time and Delay time are referenced to the time the gauge receives the command. Thus, the Delay time must be set longer than FET Off Time. The bq40z50-R2 device returns to NORMAL mode when the voltage at the PACK pin > VSTARTUP. The bq40z50- R2 device can be sent to this mode with the ManufacturerAccess() Shutdown command. Charger voltage must not be present for the device to enter SHIP SHUTDOWN mode. NOTE: If the gauge is sealed and the MAC Shutdown() command is sent twice in a row, the gauge will execute the shutdown sequence immediately and skip the normal delay sequence.