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TPS650864: Inquiry about design materials

Part Number: TPS650864
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: PMP12004-HE, , LM2767, LM2665, LMR62014

Hello,

My customer considers using the TPS6508640 as a  Xilinx FPGA power supply.

  1. Is there DSN schematic file for the PMP12004-HE?

  2. Is there any simulation materials or simulation tools for selecting the optimal inductor?

Thanks a lot.

JH

  • Hello JH,

    Thank you for reaching out.

    1. Unfortunately, I only have Altium for creating sch/layout, so unfortunately no DSN file. The device file can be downloaded for Cadence Allegro from here, though I will note that the default is TPS65086401, so the part number will need to be changed to delete the trailing '1': https://vendor.ultralibrarian.com/TI/embedded/?gpn=TPS650864&package=RSK&pin=64&sid=01766a2102bf0021842cdc747bea03072001b06a00bd0&c=1

    2. We do not have any simulation models for TPS650864. For BUCK3/4/5, the inductor should be a fixed 470 nH. For BUCK1/2/6, section 9.2.2.1.1 Selecting the Inductor provides the equations recommended for inductor selection based on the desired ripple current.

  • Hi Kevin,

    Thank you for your reply.

    The customer has further inquiries for the TPS6508640.

    1. Based on datasheet, 1uH is also recommended along with 470nH. Is there a difference between the two values?

    2. In the PMP12004-HE, a 2.2uH inductor was used for BUCK5. What's the reason?

    3. For VIN 5V application, charge pump or boost should be used for Vsys input voltage level. Please recommend the device.

    Thank you.

    JH

  • Hi JH,

    1. The bucks have an internal setting for compensation assuming 470 nH and 1 uH - the original idea was that some orderables might have one or the other. Ultimately, all orderables ended up with the 470 nH so we generally recommend 470 nH. It's not really a hard requirement, just a general recommendation.

    2. Good question. The PMP12004-HE was done by a central team, likely they chose it to reduce ripple voltage. It seems to have worked for them so I wouldn't object to using it here.

    3. I generally recommend a small boost converter like TPS61040. If cost or space is a high concern, LM2665 or LM2767 can potentially be used but they can be a bit weak for start-up. I have a board with LM2767 in particular on it and it takes 3 or 4 cycles to fully charge LDO5P0. I never noticed anything not working but it just looks a little bad seeing it try to start up, fail, and repeat a few times before staying on. 

  • Hi Kevin,

    Thank you for the prompt reply.

    The customer was looking at the following device as the boost converter for Vsys.

      - LMR62014

      - Vin=5V, Vout=5.8V

    Is it okay to use the device?

    Thank you.

    JH

  • Hi JH,

    LMR62014 seems plenty powerful to support the VSYS pin of the PMIC.