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BQ24104 TS Resistor Network

TI Team,

I  need clarification on the acceptable values allowed for NTC devices. As you know, the equation to compute RT2 is dependent on the thermistor cold and hot values. Here's what my problem is:

I've setup my TS resistor network using a thermistor from TKS. The NTC Thermistor is TSM type and the full part number is TSM0A103F34D1RZ-KB080415 (see attached pdf file). This thermistor that has a different temperature characteristic compare to the 103AT device found in the datasheet. The main difference is that the cold resistance on the battery thermistor (RTHcold) is about half of the (RTHcold) found in the example circuit on page 25; therefore, calculating the value of RT2 results in a negative value. The temperature range I would like the TS network to operate at is 15C-50C (see attached spreadsheet for calculations).

I haven't explored all possible values of thermistor values, but it seems that temperature range cannot exceed a certain ratio (between high and low), otherwise the value calculated in negative. The datasheet is not clear about what thermistor values are acceptable, nor does it explain if a ratio between the high and low values must be sustained.

I need to know if this thermistor will work in my design. I also would like to understand the range of thermistor values that are acceptable. I downloaded the software and a similar problem occurs when I don't use a specified range of thermistor values. Instead of getting a negative value for RT2, the software simply tells me that, "the temperature delta had to be increased for the device/sensor combination to work." Here's the link to the calculator. http://www.ti.com/tool/tempsense-sw

Thank you very much for your help, and I look forward to your response.

-David

7115.Protection Circuit Thermistor R-T table.pdf

  • The typical temperature window is 0 to 50C for most of our ICs.

    As the range is narrowed, say 5 to 45C, the RT2 value gets larger (sinks less current) to the point where it is infinite (no RT2 resistor needed).

    If the window is narrowed further the TS node will need current sourced or a negative resistor (which does not exist).

    Thus, the range can only be narrowed so much.

    So if you need a 5 to 40C range, then the low temp threshold will have to be set low enough to give positive resistor values and will result in a very low temp setting, maybe -30C.

     

    The narrow window limitation is fixing by the TS HTF and LTF values.

    Adding a precision current source to the node is too complicated.

     

    If you have a uC, maybe it can monitor the thermistor voltage and disable the IC if the values gets out of range.

  • Charles,

    Thanks for answering my question.

    I wills say, I would not have chosen this device had I known that there was a limit on temperature range by which I could operate my battery. I've read through the datasheet several times and I did not see any information that would have alerted me to this fact. Of course, now as you explain how the TS network works, it makes sense why the RT2 value is negative.

    I'm unable to add the uC at this time, so I will likely have to redesign my circuit. Is there another IC in your portfolio that I may be able to use that will accept larger temperature values? Thanks for your assistance.

    -David

  • look at the bq2413x family and use

    RT2=              RT1=

    381791.1  

     

     

    5092.85