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BQ27510-G3: Qmax cell and Ra table not updated after golden image with bqstudio and bq27510-g3 gauge

Stephane JUHEL
Intellectual 320 points
Part Number: BQ27510-G3
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: BQSTUDIO,

Hello,

I try do to a Learning cycle and golden image with bqstudio.

The Learning cycle seems to be going normally with update status 00 --> 01 after charge --> 02 after discharge

I see the updating of "Gas Gauging","State","Qmax Cell 0","9700","mAh" after the charge cycle

I see the updating of the "Ra Tables","Ra0 Table".

But no change for "OCV Tables","OCVa0 Table","Qmax Cell","1000","mAh"

and no change for "Ra Tables","Ra0 Default", "Ra Tables","Ra1 Default", "Ra Tables","Ra1 Table","Ra Tables","Ra0x Table", "Ra Tables","Ra1x Table"

Is it normal ?

In the past when we do golden image with bqeasy, these registers were updated.

after the Learning cycle, should i update manually these register ?

Could you have a look on the data memory contents and say me if there other strange data ?

Please find the flash data memory contents after Learning cyle and golden image generation.

* Texas Instruments Data Flash File

* File created Wed Feb 07 07:10:11 2018

*

* Device Number 510

* Firmware Version 4.00

* Build Number not available

* Order Number not available

*

* bqz Device Number 0x0510

* bqz Firmware Version 0x0400

* bqz Build Number 4.00

*

* Field Order: Class name, Subclass name, Parameter name, Parameter Value, Display Units

"Configuration","Safety","OT Chg","65.0","°C"

"Configuration","Safety","OT Chg Time","2","s"

"Configuration","Safety","OT Chg Recovery","60.0","°C"

"Configuration","Safety","OT Dsg","60.0","°C"

"Configuration","Safety","OT Dsg Time","2","s"

"Configuration","Safety","OT Dsg Recovery","55.0","°C"

"Configuration","Charge Inhibit Cfg","Chg Inhibit Temp Low","0","°C"

"Configuration","Charge Inhibit Cfg","Chg Inhibit Temp High","45.0","°C"

"Configuration","Charge Inhibit Cfg","Temp Hys","10.0","°C"

"Configuration","Charge","Charging Voltage","4200","mV"

"Configuration","Charge","Delta Temp","5.0","°C"

"Configuration","Charge","Suspend Low Temp","5.0","°C"

"Configuration","Charge","Suspend High Temp","65.0","°C"

"Configuration","Charge Termination","Taper Current","300","mA"

"Configuration","Charge Termination","Taper Voltage","100","mV"

"Configuration","Charge Termination","TCA Set %","99","%"

"Configuration","Charge Termination","TCA Clear %","95","%"

"Configuration","Charge Termination","FC Set %","-1","%"

"Configuration","Charge Termination","FC Clear %","98","%"

"Configuration","Charge Termination","DODatEOC Delta T","5.0","°C"

"Configuration","Data","Initial Standby","-10","mA"

"Configuration","Data","CC Threshold","8640","mAh"

"Configuration","Data","Design Capacity","9600","mAh"

"Configuration","Data","Des Energy Scale","1","Num"

"Configuration","Data","SOH LoadI","-400","mA"

"Configuration","Data","Default Temperature","298.2","°K"

"Configuration","Data","Device Name","bq27510-G3","String"

"Configuration","Data","Data Flash Version","0000","Hex"

"Configuration","Discharge","SOC1 Set Threshold","10","%"

"Configuration","Discharge","SOC1 Clear Threshold","20","%"

"Configuration","Discharge","SysDown Set Volt Threshold","3150","mV"

"Configuration","Discharge","SysDown Set Volt Time","2","s"

"Configuration","Discharge","SysDown Clear Volt","3400","mV"

"Configuration","Discharge","Def Avg I Last Run","-299","mA"

"Configuration","Discharge","Def Avg P Last Run","-1131","mW"

"Configuration","Registers","Op Config","817d","Flag"

"Configuration","Registers","SOC Delta","1","%"

"Configuration","Registers","i2c Timeout","4","0.5s"

"Configuration","Registers","DF Wr Ind Wait","0","100us"

"Configuration","Registers","OpConfig B","4e","Flag"

"Configuration","Registers","OpConfig C","0c","Flag"

"Configuration","Registers","OpConfig D","5e","Flag"

"Configuration","Registers","OpConfig E","02","Flag"

"Configuration","Power","Flash Update OK Voltage","2800","mV"

"Configuration","Power","Sleep Current","15","mA"

"Configuration","Power","Hibernate I","8","mA"

"Configuration","Power","Hibernate V","2550","mV"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 0","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 1","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 2","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 3","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 4","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 5","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 6","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 7","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 8","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 9","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 10","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 11","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 12","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 13","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 14","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 15","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 16","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 17","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 18","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 19","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 20","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 21","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 22","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 23","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 24","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 25","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 26","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 27","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 28","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 29","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 30","00","Hex"

"System Data","Manufacturer Info","Block 31","00","Hex"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","Load Select","1","Num"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","Load Mode","1","Num"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","Max Res Factor","15","Num"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","Min Res Factor","7","Num"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","Ra Filter","800","Num"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","Min % Passed Chg for Qm","37","%"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","Qmax Filter","96","Num"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","Max % Default Qmax","110","%"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","Terminate Voltage","3300","mV"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","Term V Delta","200","mV"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","ResRelax Time","500","s"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","User Rate-mA","0","mA"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","User Rate-m/cW","0","pwr"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","Reserve Cap-mAh","0","mAh"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","Reserve Cap-m/cWh","0","pwr"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","Min Delta Voltage","0","mV"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","Max Sim Rate","1","Hr rate"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","Min Sim Rate","20","Hr rate"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","Ra Max Delta","44","mOhm"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","Qmax Max Delta %","5","%"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","DeltaV Max dV","10","mV"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","Max Res Scale","5000","Num"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","Min Res Scale","200","Num"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","Fast Scale Start SOC","10","%"

"Gas Gauging","IT Cfg","TermV Valid Time","2","s"

"Gas Gauging","Current Thresholds","Dsg Current Threshold","60","mA"

"Gas Gauging","Current Thresholds","Chg Current Threshold","75","mA"

"Gas Gauging","Current Thresholds","Quit Current","20","mA"

"Gas Gauging","Current Thresholds","Dsg Relax Time","60","s"

"Gas Gauging","Current Thresholds","Chg Relax Time","60","s"

"Gas Gauging","Current Thresholds","Quit Relax Time","1","s"

"Gas Gauging","Current Thresholds","Transient Factor Charge","128","Num"

"Gas Gauging","Current Thresholds","Transient Factor Discharge","128","Num"

"Gas Gauging","Current Thresholds","Max IR Correct","400","mV"

"Gas Gauging","State","IT Enable","01","Hex"

"Gas Gauging","State","App Status","00","Flag"

"Gas Gauging","State","Qmax Cell 0","9700","mAh"

"Gas Gauging","State","Cycle Count 0","1","Num"

"Gas Gauging","State","Update Status 0","02","Hex"

"Gas Gauging","State","Qmax Cell 1","9600","mAh"

"Gas Gauging","State","Cycle Count 1","0","Num"

"Gas Gauging","State","Update Status 1","00","Hex"

"Gas Gauging","State","Avg I Last Run","-1200","mA"

"Gas Gauging","State","Avg P Last Run","-4323","pwr"

"Gas Gauging","State","Delta Voltage","4","mV"

"Gas Gauging","State","T Rise","20","Num"

"Gas Gauging","State","T Time Constant","1000","Num"

"Gas Gauging","State","Cell 0 V at Chg Term","4198","mV"

"Gas Gauging","State","Cell 1 V at Chg Term","4200","mV"

"OCV Tables","OCVa0 Table","Chem ID","0159","Flag"

"OCV Tables","OCVa0 Table","Qmax Cell","1000","mAh"

"OCV Tables","OCVa0 Table","Update Status","00","Hex"

"OCV Tables","OCVa1 Table","Chem ID","0159","Flag"

"OCV Tables","OCVa1 Table","Qmax Cell","1000","mAh"

"OCV Tables","OCVa1 Table","Update Status","00","Hex"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Default","Ra Status","ff","Hex"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Default","Ra Flag","55","Hex"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Default","Ra Base","78","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Default","Ra Gain","2","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Default","Ra 1","0","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Default","Ra 2","2","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Default","Ra 3","9","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Default","Ra 4","-1","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Default","Ra 5","-6","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Default","Ra 6","4","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Default","Ra 7","5","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Default","Ra 8","3","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Default","Ra 9","2","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Default","Ra 10","-3","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Default","Ra 11","3","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Default","Ra 12","33","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Default","Ra 13","94","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Default","Ra 14","108","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Default","Ra Status","ff","Hex"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Default","Ra Flag","55","Hex"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Default","Ra Base","78","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Default","Ra Gain","2","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Default","Ra 1","0","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Default","Ra 2","2","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Default","Ra 3","9","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Default","Ra 4","-1","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Default","Ra 5","-6","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Default","Ra 6","4","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Default","Ra 7","5","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Default","Ra 8","3","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Default","Ra 9","2","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Default","Ra 10","-3","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Default","Ra 11","3","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Default","Ra 12","33","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Default","Ra 13","94","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Default","Ra 14","108","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Table","Ra Status","00","Hex"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Table","Ra Flag","55","Hex"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Table","Ra Base","48","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Table","Ra Gain","0","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Table","Ra 1","4","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Table","Ra 2","0","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Table","Ra 3","4","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Table","Ra 4","-4","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Table","Ra 5","4","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Table","Ra 6","0","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Table","Ra 7","-4","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Table","Ra 8","2","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Table","Ra 9","0","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Table","Ra 10","-2","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Table","Ra 11","0","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Table","Ra 12","2","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Table","Ra 13","70","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0 Table","Ra 14","82","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Table","Ra Status","ff","Hex"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Table","Ra Flag","55","Hex"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Table","Ra Base","78","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Table","Ra Gain","2","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Table","Ra 1","0","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Table","Ra 2","2","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Table","Ra 3","9","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Table","Ra 4","-1","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Table","Ra 5","-6","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Table","Ra 6","4","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Table","Ra 7","5","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Table","Ra 8","3","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Table","Ra 9","2","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Table","Ra 10","-3","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Table","Ra 11","3","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Table","Ra 12","33","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Table","Ra 13","94","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1 Table","Ra 14","108","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0x Table","Ra Status","ff","Hex"

"Ra Tables","Ra0x Table","Ra Flag","ff","Hex"

"Ra Tables","Ra0x Table","Ra Base","78","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0x Table","Ra Gain","2","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0x Table","Ra 1","0","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0x Table","Ra 2","2","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0x Table","Ra 3","9","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0x Table","Ra 4","-1","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0x Table","Ra 5","-6","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0x Table","Ra 6","4","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0x Table","Ra 7","5","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0x Table","Ra 8","3","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0x Table","Ra 9","2","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0x Table","Ra 10","-3","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0x Table","Ra 11","3","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0x Table","Ra 12","33","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0x Table","Ra 13","94","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra0x Table","Ra 14","108","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1x Table","Ra Status","ff","Hex"

"Ra Tables","Ra1x Table","Ra Flag","ff","Hex"

"Ra Tables","Ra1x Table","Ra Base","78","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1x Table","Ra Gain","2","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1x Table","Ra 1","0","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1x Table","Ra 2","2","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1x Table","Ra 3","9","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1x Table","Ra 4","-1","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1x Table","Ra 5","-6","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1x Table","Ra 6","4","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1x Table","Ra 7","5","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1x Table","Ra 8","3","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1x Table","Ra 9","2","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1x Table","Ra 10","-3","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1x Table","Ra 11","3","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1x Table","Ra 12","33","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1x Table","Ra 13","94","Num"

"Ra Tables","Ra1x Table","Ra 14","108","Num"

"Calibration","Data","CC Gain","10.347","mOhm"

"Calibration","Data","CC Delta","10.326","mOhm"

"Calibration","Data","CC Offset","-1314","Counts"

"Calibration","Data","Board Offset","0","Counts"

"Calibration","Data","Int Temp Offset","0","°C"

"Calibration","Data","Ext Temp Offset","0","°C"

"Calibration","Data","Pack V Offset","0","mV"

"Calibration","Temp Model","Ext a Coef 1","-11130","Num"

"Calibration","Temp Model","Ext a Coef 2","19142","Num"

"Calibration","Temp Model","Ext a Coef 3","-19262","Num"

"Calibration","Temp Model","Ext a Coef 4","28203","Num"

"Calibration","Temp Model","Ext a Coef 5","892","Num"

"Calibration","Temp Model","Ext b Coef 1","328","Num"

"Calibration","Temp Model","Ext b Coef 2","-605","Num"

"Calibration","Temp Model","Ext b Coef 3","-2443","Num"

"Calibration","Temp Model","Ext b Coef 4","4696","Num"

"Calibration","Temp Model","Ext Ideal AD at Tcal","11703","Num"

"Calibration","Temp Model","Ext True AD at Tcal","11338","Num"

"Calibration","Temp Model","Max Correction I","1500","mA"

"Calibration","Temp Model","I Correction Rate","10","% k/mAxc"

"Calibration","Temp Model","Thermistor OR Hi","100","°C"

"Calibration","Temp Model","Thermistor OR Low","-40","°C"

"Calibration","Current","Deadband","5","mA"

"Security","Codes","Sealed to Unsealed","36720414","Hex"

"Security","Codes","Unsealed to Full","ffffffff","Hex"

 

Thanks

Stéphane

  • 0
    TI__Guru* 76230 points
    Hi Stephane,
    Yes that is normal. The gauge updates one set of tables and then will do so for the next during another cycle. You can manually copy the updated field into the non-updated fields.

    thanks
    Onyx
  • 0 in reply to Onyx Ahiakwo
    Intellectual 320 points

    Hi Onyx,

    Why the all the table is no updated after the generation of the golden image ?

    I supposed normally, the generation of the golden image should copy automatically the Ra table learned during the discharge during  the Learning cycle in the Ra default table.

    In fact after doing the generation of golden image, I do RESET then IT_ENABLE then SEALED

    After when i repeat charge discharge, I observe that the Time To Empty is not linear. (see curve in green TimeToEmpty for discharge)

    Thanks

    Stéphane

  • 0 in reply to Stephane JUHEL
    Intellectual 320 points
    Other question,
    if the update of the data memory is not done automatically during the generation of the golden image, after the Learning cycle and before to generate the golden image , what are the field need to be modified manually ?
    Thanks
    Stéphane
  • 0 in reply to Stephane JUHEL
    TI__Guru* 76230 points
    Hi Stephane,
    The updated resistance table should be copied to the other tables that were not updated.

    The same for qmax.

    You can keep the ra flag and Ra status as is and let the gauge control those.

    thanks
    Onyx
  • 0 in reply to Stephane JUHEL
    TI__Guru* 76230 points
    Hi Stephane,
    This is a system side gauge that allows for use with different batteries so all the tables would not update at once. Since you are using just one cell. The other table pair would update after another cycle. To be on the safe side to avoid errors, simply copy the updated to the rest of the other tables.