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TPS23754: 12V output, the load power consumption exceeds 21W will burn MOS

Part Number: TPS23754
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: PMP6812

Dears:

Pls. refer the before post, the customer has debugged the board and have an issue.

12V output, the load power consumption exceeds 21W will burn MOS; when 20W, MOS will be very hot, it will burn out after a long time.
1. What should be the normal level of GATE?

2, Kindly help to look at the diagram, the current maximum frequency of transformer support is 200K, FRS resistance is 69.8K, the switching frequency is about 250K, is it OK?

  • Hi Lian,

    In last thread, I recommended a faster D5 diode. Was this modified in your board? If not, can you try? Also can you forward a waveform of VDS and VGate?

    Thanks!
  • Dears:

    There are other issues as follows:

    1. If TPS23754's frequency is configured 250K and the Transformer's frequency is only 200KHz, is it OK? 

        If change the resistance of the control frequency to 100K, is there any adjust about the other design?

    2. From datasheet the normal range of the Gate voltage level is -0.3v  ~  Vc+0.3V.  If it is too low, how can make it higher?

    3. Sometimes during the power turns on we can see the output is not met 12V with a multimeter. And when detect PD device  then the Power output is not met 12V too.  

       The output is unstable in the power on's process. Is it normal?

    4.Does the output have minimum load power requirements? It is found that the idling sometimes loses power, and nothing is idling.

  • Hi Luck,

    1. I don't see an issue with operating at 250khz. Since the inductance is 100uH on the transformer, 250khz might be better.
    2. The gate drive in the TPS23754 is being powered by the VC voltage. Typically 10-12V from the bias winding of the transformer. What voltage are you getting at VC? And what voltage are you getting at GATE?
    3. Can you send a waveform? Is the PSE not turning ON? Or is it passing detection and the converter is not powering up?
    4. Yes the minimum load requirement for a PSE to maintain power is 10mA. If it's the converter itself that misbehaving, at no load, the diode rectified flyback could be in pulse skip mode. You need to have some small load to be in CCM mode.

    Note we recommended PMP6812 in the past for your solution. This is known working solution with test report/schematic.
    www.ti.com/.../slvrb41b.pdf

    Thanks!
    Regards,
    Darwin
  • Dears:

    Pls. refer the below information:

    1. I don't see an issue with operating at 250khz. Since the inductance is 100uH on the transformer, 250khz might be better.

    Luck: PA2649NL only support 200kHZ.


    2. The gate drive in the TPS23754 is being powered by the VC voltage. Typically 10-12V from the bias winding of the transformer. What voltage are you getting at VC? And what voltage are you getting at GATE?

    Luck: VC's waveform picture as follows, and Voltage is about 11V:


    3. Can you send a waveform? Is the PSE not turning ON? Or is it passing detection and the converter is not powering up?

    Luck:  GATE waveform as follows:

    MOS's D point waveform:

    Pls. kindly help to give some advice!

  • Hi Luck,

    Looking at the waveforms, if the converter is switching and VCC is at 11V, the turns ratio is almost 1-1 (bias and secondary). This means the output should be regulating ~12V. You may want to check your connections.
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