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DRA821U: Min/Max time at Power up/down sequence

Part Number: DRA821U
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: DRA821

Hi

At DRA821 data sheet around p.99  "8.10.2.2/3 combined MCU and Main Domains Power- up/down Sequencing"

describes the TX (X: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4) as

"Values shown are typical for PDNs combining MCU and Main voltage domains but could vary based upon PDN design. Time Stamp definitions and (typical values for reference only): "

Due to the lack of clear requirements on the DRA821 side, it is not possible to determine the design validity of the PMIC or the feasibility of the PMIC.

Please provide the specification of each Tx's Min/Max?

(For example, 

     T0:min  x(ms)

             max x(ms)

      or

      T0~T1: min  x(ms)

                  max x(ms)

  • HI

    Could you please let me know the status of your reviewing for this question?

  • HI 

    When can I have your feedback?

  • The timing tolerance is +/- 5% from min/max for each time step of the power up & down sequence.

  • Hi Bill

    I'd like to know Min/Max itself, because they are not specified in the document.

  • Hi Bill

    So, I'd like to explain my question again to clear enough.

    Data manual says that

    Does the above mean,

       T0:   min 0ms                  ~  max 0ms

       T1:   min (0.5*0.95) ms   ~   max (0,5*1.05) ms

       T2:   min (1.0*0.95) ms   ~   max (1.0*1.05) ms 

       T3:   min (1.5*0.95) ms   ~   max (1.5*1.05) ms

       T4:   min (11*0.95) ms   ~   max (11*1.05) ms 

    Does it correct?

  • Hi Bill

    I got additional question to power up/down sequences.

    For about power up sequence:

         As we discussed the above, time to T0~T4 are defined in DM.

                

                             

                              

    Question1) 

    This time stamp specifies a minimum period, isn't it?

    Is it OK to be longer than the time specified here?

    Don't have any restrictions?

    (For example, from the rise of T0 to the next rise of T1, can it be longer than what is specified here?)

    Question2)

     Is there any limit to the amount of slope that is loosely? 

    You have a limit on steep slope, but you have no limit on how smooth it is? 

     

    For about power down sequence:

         Due to the electrification accumulated in the capacitor, it is difficult to immediately achieve 0 V within the time specified here.

         Power down control can be done within the specified time period, but the charge cannot be in the 0-V state.

        

    Question3) 

    This time stamp specifies a minimum period, isn't it?

    Is it OK to be longer than the time specified here?

    Don't have any restrictions?

    (For example, from the rise of T0 to the next rise of T1, can it be longer than what is specified here?)

    Question4)

     Is there any limit to the amount of slope that is loosely? 

    You have a limit on steep slope, but you have no limit on how smooth it is? 

  • Hi Bill

    I appreciate if you provide us your reply to the above.

  • Q1) Yes, elapsed time tolerance is +5% as stated earlier. Your system timing can be longer if your initial system power up time to 1st operation total elapsed time criteria (i.e. system CAN communications) is met.  

    Q2) There is no max power supply rise time spec but it should be included in overall elapsed time between power up steps.

    Q3) Time stamps can be viewed as min for the TI power components used in recommended SoC power solutions. They are shown for reference to describe  an optimized power up & down seq performance. An uncontrolled lost of power event (battery failure or removal) is the most demanding event to support. The DM power down time stamps show how to begin disabling the SoC high current loads (VDD_CORE & VDD_CPU) as soon as possible so that the decoupling cap charge can be discharged as quickly as possible. The goal is to reduce supply levels below SoC Vmin (0.3V per DM). The TI PMIC & Buck converters used to supply these rails have active discharge FET feature which improves discharge performance.

    You can be longer if you never expect to have an uncontrolled power down event. This means your system design will ensure the input power to SoC power stage will always remain above Vin min during the entire power down seq elapsed time.y

    Q4) No max fall time is specified for SoC supply slopes.  Be aware that your system power cycling and any functional safety checks might impose a max discharge time but that is dependent on your system requirements and not the SoC.