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About internal pullup/pulldown resistor value of AM3517

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Hello.
I would like to know about the value of internal pullup/pulldown.

- Does anyone let me know about following pins, please?
  mcspi1_simo
  mcspi1_somi
  mcspi1_clk
  mcspi1_cs

- How can I find/calculate internal pullup/pulldown value?

Best regards,
RY

  • Internal pull-up/pull-down resistors are implemented with week transistors.  As the voltage present on the I/O pin varies the relative gate voltage to this week transistor changes which will cause the effective pull-up/pull-down resistance to change.  Therefore, internal resistors do not have a linear response like external resistors.  That is part of the reason you see internal pull-up/pull-down resistors specified as having a wide range of resistance.  The wide range of resistance also provides margin for process variation.

     

    I’m still trying to determine the typical drive strength for the internal pull-up and pull-down resistors for these pins.  I hope to have a better answer in a few days. 

     

    I have normally seen this type of I/O cell specify a typical value of 100uA.

     

    Regards,

    Paul

  • I just realized the word “weak” was spelled incorrectly.  The post should have read:

    Internal pull-up/pull-down resistors are implemented with weak transistors.  As the voltage present on the I/O pin varies the relative gate voltage to this weak transistor changes which will cause the effective pull-up/pull-down resistance to change.  Therefore, internal resistors do not have a linear response like external resistors.  That is part of the reason you see internal pull-up/pull-down resistors specified as having a wide range of resistance.  The wide range of resistance also provides margin for process variation.

     

    I’m still trying to determine the typical drive strength for the internal pull-up and pull-down resistors for these pins.  I hope to have a better answer in a few days. 

     

    I have normally seen this type of I/O cell specify a typical value of 100uA.

     

    Regards,

    Paul

     

  • I found the following information in some internal documentation.  This indicates the typical value for both is 150uA.  However, the pull-up may range from 70uA to 330uA and the pull-down may range from 75uA to 270uA.

     

    II(PU)
    (Note 6
    )

     

     

    -70 to -330

     

    µA

    TA = 25°C

     

    -150

     

    II(PD)
    (Note 6
    )

     

     

    75 to 270

     

    µA

    TA = 25°C

     

    150

     

     

    6. I I(PU) is the on-state current through a pullup. I I(PD) is the on-state current through a pulldown. Single values in the nominal column represent the typical current with all conditions at their nominal recommended values. The ranges shown in the nominal column represent the typical variation of current with stated conditions at the values shown and unstated conditions varying over their full recommended ranges. Conditions may include voltage, temperature, and process.

     

    Regards,

    Paul

  • Hello Paul.
    Thank you so much for your help.
    Can I ask you some additional questions?

     - I think that I can calculate the resistor value as R=V/I.
       Is it correct?

     - The AM3517 can operate two types of voltage level(3.3V or 1.8V).
       When I calculate the resistor value,
       which voltage level(3.3V or 1.8V) can I use?

    Thank you in advance.

    Best regards,
    RY

  • RY said:

     - I think that I can calculate the resistor value as R=V/I.
       Is it correct?

    Yes, this is the equation to use for calculating the effective resistance.

     

    RY said:

     - The AM3517 can operate two types of voltage level(3.3V or 1.8V).
       When I calculate the resistor value,
       which voltage level(3.3V or 1.8V) can I use?

    Use the voltage level that you are going to implement in the system.  If you are going to apply 3.3V to the voltage supply rail servicing these I/Os, then 3.3V should be used in your calculations.  Similarly, if you are going to apply 1.8V to the voltage supply rail, then use 1.8V in your calculations.

  • Hello Brandon.

    Thank you very much for your answer!

    Best regards,
    RY