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FDC1004: Must drive electronics be on a separate PCB for direct sensing applications?

Part Number: FDC1004

Background:

I am working on implementing the FDC1004 for liquid level sensing. In Table 1 of application note SNOA935A (http://www.ti.com/lit/an/snoa935a/snoa935a.pdf), it indicates that a disadvantage of direct sensing is that "Sensors and electronics are separated" while remote sensing has the advantage of "Sensors and electronics can be integrated on one board".

The application note defines direct sensing as "sensors directly on the container" and remote sensing as "sensors located in close proximity to the container."

Question:


For direct liquid-level sensing with the sensors directly on the outside of a container, do the sensors actually have to be on a separate PCB? Or, is there some configuration which would make it okay to have all the drive electronics on a single PCB?

Two example configurations which I would like to understand whether they would significantly influence the measurement to the point where I should not bother prototyping:

  • The sensors and electronics are all on the same PCB, but the PCB extends beyond the edge of container. Only the capacitors are in direct contact with the container and all electronics are positioned such that the portion of PCB they reside on is in contact with free air (depicted below).

  • The sensors and electronics are all on the same PCB. All electronics on this PCB are positioned well above the top of the topmost capacitor and shield (and therefore above the highest level of fluid expected to be measured) and the electronics have a layer of PCB in between the electronics and the container -- only the capacitors are actually in direct contact with the container (depicted below).

Theory and/or other information on why SNOA935A appears to indicate that the sensor electronics must reside on a difference PCB than the capacitors in direct sensing applications would be greatly appreciated.

  • Hello,
    If I understand the question correctly it sounds like the electronics are on the outside of the container, not directly touching the liquid. If this is the case then both pictures you've drawn are acceptable. You would want to avoid making electrical contact with the liquid to the sensors.
    Regards,
    Luke
  • Luke, thank you for your response. If this is the case, perhaps the application note (SNOA935A) should be updated to correct its definition of "Direct Sensing"? The application note does not define "Direct Sensing" as having the capacitors in direct contact with the liquid, but rather in direct contact with the container. The application note also shows a diagram with coplanar capacitors on the exterior of the container to accompany this definition.

    Unless the application note is incorrect in this regard, I suspect that there may other reasons to keep the sensor electronics from being on the same PCB as the capacitors.

  • Hello,
    The application note refers to Direct Sensing as touching the container, not the liquid. My point above was if your sensor was inside the container (which the app note does not discuss) then this would be undesirable unless you had some sort of protective coating over the sensors to prevent electrical discharge to the liquid.
    Hopefully this clarifies things, let me know if there are additional questions.
    Thanks!
    Luke
  • Thank you for your responses, Luke. Unfortunately, neither answer fully addresses my original question of why the TI application note (SNOA935A) indicates that the sensor electronics should be on a different PCB from the capacitors when the capacitors are in direct contact with the container. Any insight you or others can offer as to why these statements are made in the TI application note regard would still be greatly appreciated.

  • Hello,

    I believe this comment was for when the liquid or container can be quite hot. If you have electronics on the PCB that could be damaged by such an extreme environment then you would want to separate them. However, if the container conditions will not damage the electronics then there shouldn't be an issue placing them on the same PCB. 

    Regards,

    Luke