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LMT87: 3-wire to 2-wire: LMT87

Part Number: LMT87
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: LM34, LM35, , THVD1400

Tool/software:

Hello E2E Community,

We are reaching out to re-confirm if LMT-87 can be used in 2-wire configuration the way LM35/34 have been configured in application note SNOA748C - "AN-460 LM34/LM35 Precision Monolithic Temperature Sensors"

Attaching the configuration for reference - kingly help confirm this at the earliest. Our use case requires us to monitor a remote bearing temperature using LMT87 (~5m) & we are using twisted pair cable with two pairs Vcc & Ground & another pair with Vout & Ground. 2-wire configuration shall be of great help in our use-case.

  • I don't recommend this circuit, but it could work. Here are some things to consider:

    1. Load Regulation. The circuit was drawn for LM34, which has 1mA spec. the LMT87 has only 50uA spec. You must size the resistors such that this 50uA current will not be exceeded.

    2. Line Regulation. This circuit will cause the sensor's power supply voltage to vary over the operating temperature range. Line regulation is an output error caused by this supply change.

    3. Operating voltage range and voltage overhead. The LM34 can be powered by up to 30V. Modern equivalents like LMT87 can only tolerate 5.5V. Increasing the supply voltage would provide more headroom for the output to vary without causing the supply voltage to dip below the minimum required, but there is less room to increase the supply voltage. The LM34 has no voltage offset; it outputs 0V at 0°F and outputs negative voltages at negative temperatures. Since modern electronics have moved away from large voltages and negative power supplies, modern sensors like LMT87 provide a voltage offset to center the signal in the available range: it's output bottoms out at 500mV at max temperature (due to negative slope.) This means that all of your output voltages on a modern sensor will be higher, and will further eat away at your voltage headroom that is constrained by the low supply voltage.

    4. Quiescent Current. This circuit will cause the current that the sensor consumes to contribute error to the output. This is because both the signal current, which is developed through the output resistor, will be summed with the quiescent current of the sensor. The LM34 consumes around 100uA and the load regulation limits us to around 1mA output. This is about 10:1 signal to error. The LMT87 consumes about 5-8uA and load regulation limits us to 50uA output. This is worse than 10:1. 

    thanks,

    ren

  • Hello ,

    thank you for detailed response, it now makes our decision making clear.

    I’d like to ask to you about power supply quality to LMT87 - is it alright to add a series resistor (~330ohm) coming from a source that is close to RS485 transreceiver (THVD1400) or shall we create a separate clean power supply source?

    We have a x256hardware oversampling on our ADC which we anticipate might average out any high frequency noise on the output. Do guide about such assumptions.

    Our ideal target accuracy is 1.5’C.

    any recommended non SMD bypass capacitor on LMT87 end to minimize power supply quality?

  • Hi Neet,

    We recommend to add a minimum bypass cap of 0.01uF as close as possible to VDD for LMT87. Adding a series R will help with high frequency noise but the performance will ultimately depend on the noise level and frequency.

    For any other questions, please note that Ren is out of office and will be returning on 12/2.

    Best regards,

    Simon Rojas