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TMUX7202: Issue on truth table

Part Number: TMUX7202
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TMUX7201, TMUX7219

Hi,

I have used a TMUX7202 analog switch in one of my designs. 

As datasheet refers, if selection pin is low. the switch is closed and drain voltage is supposed to be equal to source voltage. (ignoring the voltage drop on the switch)

However during my tests, I noticed that it works in a opposite way. 

My first suspect is the device marking but I checked it and it was TMUX7202.

Then I ordered some TMUX7201 and it works how TMUX7202 supposed to work according to datasheet.

So my conclusion is whether datasheet is wrong or something really went wrong during device marking.

Could you please check?

Thanks,

Derun

  • Hey Derun,

    That is interesting. So you're saying that the logic looks to be the same on the TMUX7201 and 7202? 
    Can you share waveforms? Just want to double check that they're seeing the same signal. Just a S/D with the logic input for both the TMUX7201 and 7202 would suffice.
    Datasheet isn't wrong, they should be opposite logic and It's unlikely the device markings are wrong but it wouldn't be the craziest thing I've seen.

    Thanks,
    Rami

  • Sorry for my poor explanation earlier. I wanted to say that the control logic of TMUX7202 works like TMUX7201 while TMUX7201 works like TMUX7202.
    When I follow Table 8-1 in the datahseet, what I understand from is:
    For TMUX7202 if sel pin is low, the switch is closed and S=D.
    For TMUX7201 if sel pin is high, the switch is closed and S=D.

    Before I share waveform, let me explain my circuitry.
    As it is attached, I have a current source which has connected 2 analog switches, one is TMUX7202 and the other is TMUX7201.
    When none of switches are closed which means current source is floating, the voltage at measurement point shown in red in the waveform is 8.4V.

    The yellow on the waveform represents SEL2 signal which controls TMUX7202.
    When SEL2 signal is high, the switch is closed because the measurement point has 2V potential.
    When SEL2 is low, the switch is open and current source is floating, so it is 8.4V.


    The green on the other waveform shows SEL1 signal which controls TMUX7201.
    When SEL2 signal is high, the switch is on because the measurement point has 8.4 potential. (floating)
    When SEL2 is low, the switch is closed and the measurement point is shorted to source of the switch which is ground.

    I hope it is clear. Because of the design, I have limited options to test swithces.

    Thank you.
    Kind regards.

    Derun

    tmux7201
     tmux7202

  • Hey Derun,

    Are you switching both sides at the same time? 
    Can you try isolating one of the sides so they aren't shorted? Maybe just remove one device and test it. 
    It does certainly look like the logic is backwards from these but I'm not certain how that could happen. 

    As a side note, what is the implementation here in your system? Will you be toggling the 7201 and 7202 with the same control logic at the same time? It almost looks like you're creating a 2:1 switch, which the TMUX7219 may be a better option here.

    Thanks,
    Rami

  • Hi Rami,

    Each switch has different control logic because I am using TMUX7202 for only test purposes. It will not be used in the product.

    The design is made to drive low power laser diodes. TMUX7201 is there to enable/disable current source. 

    I have ESD protection relays etc but this is out of scope.

    If we go back to other question, I am not switching them at the same time.

    While I toggle one of them, I make sure that the other one is always open.

    Also when TMUX7202 is closed, I measured the current flowing through TMUX7202 and it was exactly same with the current source value.

    So the other switch is open for sure. Otherwise, some current would flow through TMUX7201.

    Thanks,

    Kind regards,

    Derun

  • Hey Derun,

    Just wanted to update you on this. I'm looking into this further and looking to see if we have some data to confirm the behavior. At the same time, I've ordered some units of both parts to take a look myself as well. The units do take a few days to come in usually but fortunately the tests themselves should be pretty quick. I'll update you as I figure out whether we're looking at a possible datasheet typo, misprint or some other answer to explain what you're seeing.

    If possible, can you send a couple pics of the top side of the devices?

    Thanks,
    Rami

  • Hi Rami,

    Thanks for the effort. You can find the pictures below.

    Device markings of TMUX7201 and TMUX7202 are H201 and H202 respectively.

    Thanks.

    Kind regards,

    Derun

  • Thanks Derun,

    I'll update you when the devices are in!

    -Rami

  • Hey Derun,

    So we looked into this more and it looks like the logic is backwards on these devices. We're still looking at home to resolve this on our end but I wanted to update you so you could have an idea of how to move forward with your design. Currently though the 7201 will behave as the 7202 and vice versa. If something changes that may affect your use of the devices moving forward, I'll update you further.
    Thanks for finding this and bringing it to our attention though!

    Thanks,
    Rami

  • Hi Rami,

    Thank you for confirming me.

    Since I will only deliver prototypes to customer for now, replacing 7202 with 7201 is an easy solution for me.

    However, I would like to get updates about this issue further.

    If customer asks more product, I would like to know which one I should use.

    Thank you.

    Kind regards,

    Derun

  • Hi Rami, 

    Is there any update on this issue?

    Thank you.

    Kind regards,

    Derun

  • Hey Derun,

    No updates here in the sense that the 7201 and 7202 logic are still confirmed backwards and you should use the device you need with the logic seen in the current datasheet being backwards. We're working on making a datasheet change but has taken a little more time than typical with the holidays and some extra backend thing we need to take care of a change of this nature. But the new datasheet will simply show the logic of 7201 and 7202 in the datasheet to be swapped. Once that new datasheet gets released I'll pinged you here to make sure you're aware so you don't accidentally swap the logic on the new datasheet and have another mix up.

    Thanks,
    Rami