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WEBENCH® Tools/TPS54340B-Q1: Op-Val & Bode plot cross freq. not matching for TPS54340B-Q1 based design.

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Part Number: TPS54340B-Q1

Tool/software: WEBENCH® Design Tools

Hi TI support,

I recently made the design using TPS54340B-Q1 with details as under,

VIN=12-18V, Vout=4.0V, IOUT=2.5A max, Tamb=60'C, Freq=918KHz. I replaced the compensation components as per calculation from datasheet with cross freq of 29Khz. Now Op-Val shows correct cross over freq. after replacement of compensation components, however bode plot simulation doesn't shows those values. 

Can you please check this. If some email ID is available I could share the design.

Regards,

jagdish

  • Hello Jagdish,

    Please can you email robert.blattner@ti.com with your question. I would include what simulation you are using?


    Thanks.

    David.

    Kind Regards,

    David Baba.

  • In reply to David Baba:

    Hi David,

    Please note that I have shared the design with above said email ID with details written to it.

    Regards,
    jagdish
  • In reply to Jagdish:

    Hi Jagdish,

    Can you please share you design with "Share with Public" option? If you can share the design, we can check if you are running into any of the 3 issues mentioned below.

    Some reasons why the opvals and bode plot sim might not match:

    1. If Cout has been changed, is it a custom cap? If so, the “Derated Cap”, “Total Derated Cap” and “Cap” all need to match up and set the number of parallel caps to 1. This is an issue with custom cap form today. 
    2. Bode plot simulation runs at VinNom = (VinMin+VinMax)*0.5. so need to make sure to recalculate the “Opvals” at VinNom to compare with bode plot sim values.
    3. Also, when using “Recomp”, make sure the power stage components has the correct derated value of Cout that is expected.

    Regards,
    Amod 

  • In reply to Amod Vaze:

    Hi Amod,

    Please my response as below,

    => Design is shared with link details as below,
    webench.ti.com/.../SDP.cgi

    => Yes Cout is changed to ceramic, these are 2 in parallel, I checked total derated cap matches to value in Re-comp tool. However, parallel caps aren't set to 1. I will check this.

    => As of now I am not using Re-comp tool.

    Thanks,
    jagdish
  • In reply to Jagdish:

    Hi Amod,

    Tried using single capacitor of 94uF instead of 2X47uF but results are same. Cross over in bode plot is 16K while in Op-Val is 28K.

    Awaiting your further response.

    Thanks,
    jagdish
  • In reply to Jagdish:

    Thanks for the additional info Jagdish. I am taking a look at your design.

    Regards,
    Amod
  • In reply to Amod Vaze:

    Hi Jagdish,

    It seems the issue is arising due to discrepancy in the sim and opval model parameters. Someone from our team is looking into it and will get back to you with further updates. Apologize for the inconvenience caused and appreciate your patience on this matter.

    For now, I would recommend using the opvals and recomp values to compensate and confirm the results and stability of your design.

    Regards,
    Amod

  • In reply to Amod Vaze:

    Hi Amod,

    Thanks for your response. OK, I will await the results from your team.

    However, using recomp components as per datasheet equations results in stable design as per opval, so I will proceed ahead with this as of now. I believe you are talking same " recomp values to compensate and confirm the results and stability of your design".

    Do I understand correct, please advice.

    Regards,
    jagdish
  • In reply to Jagdish:

    Hi Jagdish,

    Seems like the difference between Simulation Bode plot & Opval Bode Plot was due to edited Rload (20ohm).

    Could you please let us know if you had manually changed Rload to 20ohm ?

    Note: Any changes made to Input source & Rload in the schematic will not affect Opvals. Hence we might be observing discrepancy.

    I made following changes in the schematic (Below is the shared design FYR) :

    https://webench.ti.com/appinfo/webench/scripts/SDP.cgi?ID=D9FCFEA65079651C

    1. Cout : Made Cap, Total Derated cap and Derated Cap as 52uF with Quantity = 1

    2. Rload: Changed to 1.6ohm [Iout = 2.5A]

    Thanks & Regards,

    Harish

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  • In reply to Harish K R:

    Hi Harish,

    Even without changing Rload in bode plot fco was 16K (in simulated bode plot) rather than 28K. After changing Rload to 20E it gave fco near 5K.

    BTW, I can't open the link, nor I can see shared design in my list. Can you please look into this.

    Also while checking in opval, I was just changing values in top tab of op-val (VIN & IOUT) & not checking there after doing any schematic modification. This is FYI.

    Regards,
    jagdish

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