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INA826: INA826 & XTR117 equivalents working at -55°C

Part Number: INA826
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: XTR117, , OPA192

Hello,

I am working on a design that is supposed to work from -55°C to +70°C and its storage temperature range is -60°C to +85°C.

I am using an INA826 as a bridge amplifier and the XTR117 for a current-loop.

But the INA826 is given to work from -50°C (instead of -55°C) and the XTR117 is given to be stored at the minimum of -55°C (instead of -60°C).

Does anyone know equivalents for those components which meet temperatures requirements ?

Thank you

  • Hi Cyrille,

    But the INA826 is given to work from -50°C (instead of -55°C)
    Does anyone know equivalents for those components which meet temperatures requirements ?

    Below is a list of instrumentation amplifier that may operate down to -55C. -55C is aerospace and/or military specification or grade, and the part selections are limited. 

    Please read the datasheet carefully. Some of the parts are specified for the low temperature range, but datasheet's performance specification is only guaranteed from -40C to 125C. 

    https://www.ti.com/amplifier-circuit/instrumentation/products.html?keyMatch=INSTRUMENTATION%20AMPLIFIER#sort=1192;desc&

    the XTR117 is given to be stored at the minimum of -55°C (instead of -60°C).

    XTR117 has the similar dilemma. The absolute max. ratings are specified from -55C to 125C, but the datasheet's performance specification is only guaranteed from  -40C to 125C. There are no good recommendation here. If the -55C operating temperature requirements are part of the design requirements, you may have to design the V-to-I current loop via the discrete components. 

    Note: -55C means that the XTR117 is able to power up and operate normally when the part is soaked at -55C for an extended period. 

    Alternatively, you may select XTR117 IC, and perform the additional low temperature validation tests so that the part will meet the design requirements. These are often steps taken by engineers who are unable to find guaranteed specification in design in order to meet the low temperature requirements. 

    If you have other questions, please let us know. 

    Best,

    Raymond

  • Hi Raymond,

    Thank you for your replay.

    I have already checked the components listed that are specified for -55°C to 125°C, but some of there specifications are not compliant with my design (Iq, Vos,....).

    And for the XTR117, I already though about discrete components but my PCB is really small and I don't think I will be able to implente this function with discrete components.

    As you said, the other solution is to perform additional tests, but after discussing it with my customer, his answer is that it will be mandatory to perform those tests on every component batch that will be use. It is possible, but not really cost effective !!!

    Whatever, thank you for your reply

  • Hi Cyrille,

    it will be mandatory to perform those tests on every component batch that will be use.

    From the high temperature instrumentation amplifier (IA) selection, we have the following possibilities that the operating temperature are rated at -55C, also see the pricing and availability, which the performance specification is guaranteed within the specified temperature range in the datasheet.  

    https://www.ti.com/amplifier-circuit/instrumentation/products.html?keyMatch=INSTRUMENTATION%20AMPLIFIER#sort=1192;desc&

    And for the XTR117, I already though about discrete components but my PCB is really small and I don't think I will be able to implente this function with discrete components.

    The discrete V-to-I current loop transmitter may be constructed in a very small footprint.

    The image below captured high temperature precision op amp options for the low temperature application. 

      

    https://www.ti.com/amplifier-circuit/instrumentation/products.html?keyMatch=INSTRUMENTATION%20AMPLIFIER#sort=1192;desc&

    I do not believe that we have V-to-I 4-20mA current loop transmitter IC that is guaranteed to operated down to -55C. One of the option is to construct the circuit in discrete circuit. I realized that you may not have a lot of space on a PCB, but there is a little option if the requirements are specified to implement 4-20mA current loop. 

    Here is an example of V-to-I current loop transmitter.  The example is using OPA192, which is not rated at -55C, but I will be happy to provide you with a reference design, if you are able to provide me with the op amp, voltage reference selections, and design requirements. The entire circuit design can be simulated via Tina. 

    4237.Discrete 0-5V 4-20mA Transmitter 10102023.TSC

    Enclosed is an application note FYI. 

    https://www.ti.com/lit/an/snoaa73/snoaa73.pdf

    If you have other questions, please let me know. 

    Best,

    Raymond

  • Hi Raymond,

    Thanks again for your useful help.

    I'll analyze all proposed solutions and come back to you if necessary.

    Best regards,

    Cyrille

  • Hi Cyrille, 

    Below is a list of 4-20mA current loop application notes and video training clips. These may help you to select op amp choices. 

    https://e2e.ti.com/support/amplifiers-group/amplifiers/f/amplifiers-forum/945188/faq-designing-with-4-20ma-current-loop-transmitters-xtrs-faq-links

    The construction of the space grade 4-20mA current loop transmitter in the attached application note will not have small footprints in discrete form. However, we have large selection of small op amp forms, bandgap references and you should be able to minimize the footprint, if you want to build one in discrete. 

    Below is voltage reference selection and you should be able to find small footprint  one for your application. You should look for SOT-23, low power and low temperature drift type for the application.  

    https://www.ti.com/power-management/voltage-reference/products.html?keyMatch=PRECISION%20REFERENCE%20VOLTAGE#sort=1192;desc&

    If you have other questions, please let us know.

    Best,

    Raymond

  • HI Raymond,

    I have one more little question about my temperature subject.

    I think I know the answer, but I wonder if TI can carry out temperature validation on a batch of components on request.

    Best,

    Cyrille

  • Hi Cyrille, 

    I wonder if TI can carry out temperature validation on a batch of components on request.

    This is not part of our business. There may be a 3rd party service that is able to perform additional thermal and/or performance characterizations on request, but I do not know such services. 

    If this is the aerospace product, HASS (Highly Accelerated Stress Screening) is a standard quality control procedure. It is possible to implement the screening procedure for the product before the delivery, or perform the thermal screening tests on the IC or at submodule level for the application. 

    If you have other questions, please let me know. 

    Best,

    Raymond