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LM34936: Buck mode is not working

Part Number: LM34936
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: LM5118

Hi,

I'm currently working with the LM34936. We want an input varying between 9 to 19V, to output 18V. The maximum output current is 2A.
We used the schematic proposed by the webench TI power designer as a starting point. Then we fine-tuned the value of each component after verification and recomputation of each component value based on the datasheet:

- TI tool propose a 2k resistance in series with the VISNS pin, but since our appplication has an input voltage of maximum 19V, we placed a 0 ohm instead;
- We use a 10µH inductor instead of the 3.3µH, since we will mostly be in Buck mode;
- Rsense value is 20 mOhm instead of 15m;
- Cslope has been increased up to 200pF instead of 150pF;
- Cc2 has been increase up to 172 pF instead of 82pF, according to our re-computation
- Rc1 has been reduced to 12k instead of 15K according to our re-computation;

The main problems are that the LM is not woking in buck mode, and cannot boost when input voltage goes above 16,9 V.

Cboot1 and 2 have been increased to 200nF but without any result. We also played with the Rcc1, Cc1 and Cc2, but very little imrovement (increasing input voltage boots range up to 16.9V, as opposed to 16.3V at first)

From our investigations, it seems that the LM switch to a buck/boost hybrid mode around 16V (instead of 18V).

You can find the schematic generated by the tool here

C
ould you please help me out ?

Thank you in advance,

Regards,

  • Hi 

    Thank you for interest in our device. Due the holiday it is need more time. 

  • Hi Arthur,

    i just tried to access the schematic but the link does not work as expected.

    Can you please check that.

    May you can also summarize again what settings are working and what are failing. I am not sure if I fully captured that.

    Thanks,

     Stefan

  • Hi,

    The main problems are that the LM is not woking in buck mode, and cannot boost when input voltage goes above 16,9 V.

    By awaiting your answer, I ordered the evalboard of the LM34936 to reproduce it on my board. I also use the quickstart calculator to rectify the compensation network

    It works on the evalboard but not on mine.

    I try to join the schematic again.

    I don't know how to upload my schematic properly... Is this picture enough ?
    I also have the layout picture

    I may also have some Mosfet measurement if that helps.

    Thank you in advance

    Best regards,

    Arthur

  • Hi Arthur,

    can you probe the following signals for a good and also the failing conditions:

    - SW1 and SW2

    - LDRV1, LDRV2, HDRV1, HDRV2

    - SW11, SW2, HDRV1, HDRV2

    - CS  and SS  input

    Maybe you can also share the layout for all layers - if you would like to attach you layout - just zip all files and then drag and drop the zip file into the message field.

    Thanks,

     Stefan

  • Hi,

    I've done some modification on the board, mainly reinforcing the GND path of the 10mOhm resistance, and improving the feeback resistance precision. It is working better now : I have Vout =18V with Vin = 8V to 19, as expected.

    However, a problem subsist : if I start my board with Vin = 18V, the regulator does not output the desired voltage. I have to decrease Vin to about 12V to engage the regulation. After that, it works properly.

    I also probed the desired signal (sorry for the time scale difference between pictures)

    - In boost Mode :
    Yellow = HDRV1 for left picture, HDRV2 for the right picture
    Green = LDRV1 on the left, LDRV2 on the right
    Blue = SW1 on the left, SW2 on the right
    Pink = Output



    CS and SS :

    On Buck mode, when it is not working :

    Yellow = HDRV1 for left picture, HDRV2 for the right picture
    Green = LDRV1 on the left, LDRV2 on the right
    Blue = SW1 on the left, SW2 on the right
    Pink = Output


    CS and SS :


    Please find attach The gerber files, along with the schematic and layout of the board. Design was made using Eagle.

    LM34936.zip


    Best regards,

    Arthur

  • Hi Arthur,

    as a quick check can you increase the Css (capacitor on SS (softstart pin)) and check if this fixes the remaining issue.

    (E.g. try a 100nF for a startup time of 16ms.)

    As SS pins stays low - i assume the current limit i gets triggered - in this case you should also see a voltage spike on CS which is higher then the current limit voltage level of 

    Best regards,

     Stefan

  • Hi,

    Sorry for the delay, I have other topics to take care of.

    The soft start capacitor increase unfortunately didn't fix the issue...

    Best regards,

    Arthur

  • Hi Arthur,

    Ok, so lets go back to the measurement.

    Unfortunately you need to redo some of them as my instruction have not been precise enough.

    When measuring probe the signals in each line together.

    Keep scope time scale identical for all this measurements (1us/div).

    Measuring CS and SS have very small signal level (100mV) please use a horizontal scaling which fits for that (e.g. 50mV/div)

    Your measurement of CS and SS shows a very high ringing. This is most properly a pick up of the probes ground (large ground loop). This can be highly improved by the so call tip barrel measurement (e.g. shown here in chapter 2.2 : Optimizing Transient Response of Internally Compensated DC-DC Converters (Rev. B))

    So please measure this signal combinations:

    - SW1 and SW2

    - LDRV1, LDRV2, HDRV1, HDRV2

    - SW11, SW2, HDRV1, HDRV2

    - CS  and SS  input

    Thanks,

     Stefan

  • Hi Arthur,

     

    I have not seen an update on this thread for the last 20 days.

    Maybe you could solve this issue already in the meantime, in this case it would be great to press the is solved button.

    If there is still something open, just let me know with the new details.

    Best regards,

     

    Stefan

  • Hi,

    Sorry for the delay. I did finally switch to another chip, the LM5118, and everything is working smoothly now.
    Thanks for you time anyway.

    Regards,

    Arthur