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LM5166: Part turns off and does'nt come back without powercycle

Part Number: LM5166

We have some hundred devices with the LM5166 in the field. Somehow on ~10% of the devices the LM5166 suddenly stops working. Only a powercycle can bring it back. The LM5166 works with a current limit of 300mA and has a temperature rise of about 20K. You will find the shematic below.

The pins have the following states while the fault occures:

U BAT= 3,8V (internal lipo battery)

U MainBat_Power= 40,9V

U 4V15=0,6V

Q6A off

Q6B on

 SS = 0,365V

ILIM= 0V

SW= constant 1,6V

PGOOD= low

FB=0,36V

  • Steffen ,

    What happens if the Battery at the output of the DC/DC covnerter is removed when the device is stuck in this mode ?
    Are you able to replicate this issue on 10% of the boards? Can you remove the battery and see if the output of the Buck converter 4.15V in those returned boards .

    Also in the stuck mode , can you take and share the wave forms of SW node , inductor current and VIN and SS pin .

    ---Ambreesh
  • Hello Ambreesh,

    the small internal battery is drained from system and then disconnects at 3V. Nothing happens in that moment or after that. Only a powercycle at the input of the DC/DC converter recovers the function of the converter. After that, it works maybe without any fault for days.

    It is hard to replicate the fault on the boards, because it happens for us randomly. Sometimes the boards work for days and nothing happens, than some boards show the fault on one day.

    In the stuck mode all signals are static at their voltage:

    U BAT= 3,8V (internal lipo battery, drains slowly within hours)

    U MainBat_Power= 40,9V

    U 4V15=0,6V

    Q6A off

    Q6B on

     SS = 0,365V

    ILIM= 0V

    SW= constant 1,6V

    PGOOD= low

    FB=0,36V

    Here are the scope pictures after a powercycle:

    SW node

    vout at startup

    Vout:

    Vin:

    SS pin

  • Stefan ,

    Can you take the current waveform too , it seems that the device is hitting current limit and turning on and retrying again and that is what you see on the SW node pulses .
    Also in the stuck mode can you turn off Q6B and see if the device recovers . Also in the design how are you controlling the charging current of the device ? When the battery is discharged its like a short circuit condition for the device and the device will hit current limit and turn off .
    Here is the simple implementation of CC/CV design on buck converter :
    www.ti.com/.../slva595a.pdf

    ---Ambreesh
  • Hello Ambreesh,

    do you have any suggestions, how I can measure the current waveform in this layout, without disturbing the whole current flow?

    The device is running in the current limit for max. 1h, until the battery is full. Is this a problem for the LM5166?

    The problems always accured, when the battery was already full for hours and the LM5166 worked not in the current limit. If Q6B is turned off, the device didnt recover.

  • Hi Steffen,

    If the FB voltage is 0.36V, then based on the feedback resistor divider values the output voltage should be 1.208V, not 0.6V. Is there a residual current at FB causing an issue?

    The LM5166 can operate in an output current limit condition, where the inductor current ramps from 0A to peak setting (0.75A with 56k ILIM resistor) and then back to 0A. You can probe the inductor current to see this behavior.

    Regards,
    Tim
  • Hi Timothy,

    I finally could probe the inductor current over a 120mOhm resistor. You can see it in the pictures below. One with full load, the other with about 5% load.

    I have some distortion, because I had to extend the paths to the inductor.

    I looked for the residual current and found out, that we have some voltage feedback from another runinng controller. If this controller is off, the output voltage is 0.

    What can be the reason, that the LM5166 is shuting down?

  • Hi Steffen,

    My recommendation is to lift the VOUT side of the inductor and measure with a current probe to get a cleaner measurement.

    The second plot here looks like steady state operation. What is the first plot? Seems like a light-load or no-load condition.

    Regards,

    Tim

  •    Hi Tim,

    you are right. As I wrote   before one is with light load and the other with full load of 300mA.

    Did you find out if there is a possible issue with LM5166?

    When can this behaviour can happen?

    Best regards

    Steffen

  • Hi Steffen,

    Please forward the PCB layout for review. Are the feedback resistors located close to the FB and GND pins? If not, noise pickup at FB may be an issue.

    Regards,

    Tim 

  • Hi Tim,

    below you will find the PCB layout. R16, R19 are the FB-resistors.

  • Hi Steffen,

    You mentioned earlier that there is another running controller. This may be the issue as it affects what should be a constant ratio between VOUT and FB voltages. Note that we haven't explained the 0.36V voltage on FB if VOUT is at GND.

    Regards,
    Tim
  • Hi Tim,

    the LM5166 provides the charge current for the backup battery and one DC/DC converter for 3.3V.

    The from me mentioned controller is a Microcontroller on another PCB. Both PCB are only connected toghether via UART RX, TX, GND, 42V in.

    Regards,

    Steffen

  • Hi Steffen,

    Based on our offline conversation, let's ensure that the input bus is adequately damped to mitigate input resonance associated with long input lines. A high ESR electrolytic input cap is one option here.

    Regards,

    Tim