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TAS2781EVM: .PPC3 setting for max current output

Part Number: TAS2781EVM
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TAS2781, TAS2780, TAS6584-Q1, TAS6422-Q1

Tool/software:

Hi,

I am trying to configure the TAS2781EVM to generate the maximum current output that it can continuously across a 2ohm resistor.

From the datasheet the protection circuitry indicates the minimum current under "Output Over Current Limit on PVDDH" is 5Apeak ~=3Arms. I assume that the output is capable to source this current magnitude.

At this moment the highest rms current that I can source the the EVM at ROM mode only, with every protection setting removed is <1.5Arms continuously. I have played around the ppc3 device control panel and wasn't able to operate the evm close to atleast 2.5Arms without the ppc3 throwing IR fault of overcurrent. I have also tried supplying  a 12V 4A supply to PVVDH and use the PWR_mode0 and didn't make any improvement.

At some point the evm behave with lower current with similar setting for some reason with all the thermal and BOP protection disabled.

I also tried ramping the volume slowly to not upset the overcurrent fault with no success..

Could I please request a .ppc3 file that I can use here as a baseline to operate the EVM to max output current continuously @25°C with the load description above?. I prefer all the setting on protection removed as I will enable this myself one at a time accordingly depending on our specification.

rgds,

Jose

  • HI Jose, 

    Please see the attached ppc3. i used 2 own purely resistive load and some banana cables which contribute ~200mOhms. with 12V I was able to see ~4.5A on the output, measured from the I-sense data and did not trip the over current protection. if I increase the supply voltage then i will start to have an OC error.

    https://e2e.ti.com/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/6/TAS2781_5F00_2Ohm_5F00_12VPVDDH.ppc3

    what exactly are you trying to accomplish? is this an audio application, or do you need constant output at full scale into 2 Ohm loads. because while the device can drive ~5A peak into 2 ohms it cannot do it continuously as the die will heat and the device will pullback to prevent burning itself. if you need sustained output at 3Arms an external heat sink, or a higher power device will be needed.

    Regards,
    Arthur

  • Hi Arthur,

    thanks for looking into this. I will try the file attached.

    We are currently developing this fuse/recloser circuit breaker that will be release soon. this product harvest the primary current to charge the internal capacitor storage  using a current transformer. as part of its accessories to aid service technicians, we are developing this charger (tas2781) that will inject different magnitude of current and range of frequency. A stable <1A is needed not to trip the protection and would allow technicians to connect to the device using BLE and make adjustments, hence we required the IV sense to regulate the current. the higher current is for prolong charging of the unit before installations.

    I will be definitely consider heatsinking the device on the final PCB. 

    Jose

  • Hi Jose,

    thank you for the explanation i more or less understand what you are doing here. but basically, it is not a amplifier driving a speaker, but rather you need the device as a high current driver with current sense. 

    the first thing i would recommend is you do not need TAS2781. you are paying extra money for an internal DSP and speaker algorithms that will go unused. what you want is TAS2780. same analog performance, package/pinout , and voltage/current sense, but you are not paying for the DSP. 

    furthermore, I discussed with a college and the heat sink won't be very effective on this device as there is no exposed thermal pad on the top of the package. there will likely be enough thermal resistance that a heat sink won't be able to effectively conduct heat out. 

    it may be worth your time to make another post to the motor drivers E2E forum. i am not very familiar with the portfolio, but they will certainly have devices which have current sense and top thermal pads, and many amperes of capability. (not sure if they can do a sinewave drive if that is a requirement)

    you may also like TAS6584-Q1 which will have the same basic functionality as TAS2781, but it can handle more current.

    Regards,
    Arthur

  • Hi Art,

    the 2781 was initially selected because of its integrated VI sense capability built in into the IC. If there is an equivalent with high power ratings, that would be more like what we want to do.

    Im currently looking at this TAS6422-Q1 as a solution but wondering if the two outputs can be tied for more current?. I wondering how match the current is. It has load protection capability but doesnt mention anything about externalizing that measurement thru I2S.

    Can paralleling of output between 2 devices or more possible?. has it been done before on audio drivers?.

    Jose

  • Hi Jose, 

    If you choose a 278x device i would still recommend TAS2780 for the reasons i mentioned above. TAS2780 has IV-sense that can stream through I2S

    TAS6422-Q1 and many of the similar stereo devices you can find on TI.com can connect the two outputs in parralel, for 2x the current. the key term you are looking for is Parallel Bridge Tied Load "PBTL" - however the issue you will find is that many of those higher power devices dont have I-sense. except for the TAS6584-Q1, but this IC is 4 channels and may be a bit more expensive than is acceptable.

    there may be a possibility to connect two TAS2780s in PBTL, but i have never seen such a configuration before.

    Regards,
    Arthur