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TAS5630 SMPS Reference Design - thermal issues

Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TAS5630, UCC25600

Hi,

For upcoming customer subwoofer project I’m evaluating the TI SMPS Reference Design. For the first measurements I just used the original SMPS board from TAS5630 TI mass market amplifier demonstrator. I found some thermal issues on the board. All measurements were done in 21deg Celsius room temperature without enclosure, so with quite good ventilation:

- In main switcher gate control circuit, the transistors Q4 and Q5 have temperature significantly over 100 deg Celsius. The max value I measured with IR camera was over 108 deg Celsius! I can just figure how hot they will be having the amplifier enclosure closed running with 75% power for some time and having probably around 45-50 deg C in the enclosure … will the Q4 and Q5 run out of the spec or they will by right on the limit? Unfortunately I had the amp just for very short time, performing some basic electrical measurements, and had to give it back to the customer who is currently doing sonic performance analyze. In a short time I should have my own SMPS board based on TI reference design and then I will perform some more tests on it.

- In Bias Supply circuit the D4 and R5 are also quite warm. The diode D5 reached nearly 75 deg C … That’s not so bad. I know, but still significantly warmer than ambient.

All measurements were done in the idle operation. The TAS5630 amplifier board was connected but no signal was applied on the input.

My question is, if this behavior is intended by the design or just the SMPS board I have, has the thermal problem? I would suggest using low saturation voltage transistors for Q4 and Q5. It would significantly decrease switching power dissipation. It wouldn’t significantly increase cost, but would definitely increase quality and robustness of the design.

I prepared for my customer a detailed analyze document summarizing the SMPS performance. I can share parts of it with you if you like to take a look into.

Best regards,
Tomasz

  • Tomasz

     

    Nice catch - I will need to go back at check on my reference to see what the temperature of Q4 & Q5 are.

    Q4 & Q5 are used as emitter followers on the gate drive from UCC25600 - the UCC25600 outputs do not go to rail so limiting the power in Q4 & Q5 is a factor of several tings.

    We will have the designers look into it to if this is a general issue or just your board.

    some quick things to try would be: change to a NPN type with higher Hfe - lower the basis resistors, R25 & R41 to half the value, increase the common collector resistor R58 to 10R - that should lower the loss and move some of it form the transistors to the resistor.

    We are very interessted in your report on the SMPS design - if you dont want to share it with all the forum you can send it directly to me at knm"at"ti.com

    best regards

     

    Kim Nordtorp Madsen

  • Hello Kim,

    Thanks for the answer - description and improvement suggestions. Unfortunately I gave the TI SMPS board back to the customer - together with the demonstrator amplifier. I had it just for very short time and I was able spend just one day doing the measurements. I should have my own SMPS board soon :) I will have the original PCBs soon and right now I am ordering the inductive components from our local OW distributor. Having my own SMPS board I will definitely perform some more measurements on it.

    I have one additional question. I found 1W or 2W power THT resistor connected directly on the connector J3 parallel to the amplifier board? Is that additional load for the bias supply output? I didn't check what was the value of the resistor :( but it was extremely hot - I burned my finger trying to bend it. I measured over 125 deg C using the J-thermocouple thermometer and later on over 170 deg C using IR camera. The resistor is not a part of the design but is running out of the spec and can simply burn. My question is, does the SMPS need any preload condition on any voltage output for stable operation or can also run stable without any load? The information will be very useful trying to start first time my own board.

    I will definitely send you more detailed document about what I measured on TI SMPS, but until end of the week we have High-End 2010 in Munich and I will be there.
    I will be back in the office on Sunday and then email you the document.
    Thanks a lot for your support.

    Best regards,
    Tomasz

  • Tomasz

    the loading on the +/-15V is used to enable or disable the LLC converter dooing the +50V - the amp board revision there is in the box you have measured on - the loading on the +/-15V wasnt quite enough to get the main converter to start.

    therefore if the amp design you would use had a litle higher idle consumption there would be no need for this resistor 

    Kim