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Condenser Microphone Amplifier Circuit Direction

Other Parts Discussed in Thread: LF353, LM358, LM386, OPA827, OPA1611, OPA172

I am looking for a starting point on how to build a condenser microphone amplifier circuit to pick up voices in a 20' by 20' room.  The amplifier needs to be driven off a single supply of 24 or 12vdc.  I was planning on using a Omni direction condenser microphone with a nominal input voltage of 5vdc.  The microphone would pick up the voice of someone speaking in the middle of the room with enough clarity to understand the words.  The output of the amplifier will be connected to an Analog to Digital converter with a voltage range from 0 to 5VDC.  The AtoD chip can have 10 or 12 bit resolution and sampled at what ever interval is needed.

I have experimented with the LM358, the LF353 (Worked great but needed + &- 12vdc) and the TLC27M2CP.

Could someone point me in the right direction with a chip suggestion and a recommended amplification or gain?

I would assume I want a high gain, low noise, high voltage Op-Amp?

Thanks

Daryl

  • Hi Daryl,

    Welcome to E2E.
    You can take a look at LM386, this is a general purpose amplifier, you can use the example configuration for Gain = 200. I've seen some microphone amplifying stages using LM386 with this configuration. It may be similar to LM358.
    If you need a JFET input amplifier like LF353 or a very low noise/distortion amplifier you should take a look at the precision amps (OPA family) like OPA1611 or OPA827.
    Another option is OPA172, there is a TI Design featuring this amplifier, you'll find it at the following link:
    www.ti.com/.../tidu765.pdf
    Let me know if any of these looks good for you.

    Best regards,
    -Ivan Salazar
    Texas Instruments
  • Let's tease apart your post...

    "Any" amplifier chosen will run off the voltages you report. The devices you've been using will run "single-ended" so let's get that out of the way. There are many excellent white papers available, many right here on TI. Search "single-ended opamp". Once you have the topology for running single-ended sussed out, you'll see you don't  need "+/-" anything...

    Next, you've already determined that the mic has a tiny, tiny voltage output. This needs to be amplified, obviously. However, a "fixed" gain amp probably isn't going to do it for you. Think it through... if you have low-gain, you won't pick up voices far from the mic. If you have high-gain, when someone is close, it could easily saturate the amp. You need either a system that intelligently controls gain, such as a "programmable gain amp" (PGA) in which the gain of the system changes depending on input level (determined by the results of the A/D), or, as has been done for 100 years, an "automatic gain control" or AGC. The choice becomes do you want to do this in the "digital" domain (PGA) or "analog" domain (AGC). Lot's of ways to do both...

    Unless you have a real reason to do so,  rethink how many "bits" you need in your convertor. Remember, the noise on your power supply to the A/D must be lower than the LSB of the convertor. Otherwise, the first few LSB's may be nothing but system noise. Also, most A/D convertors give a "REF" pin to set the range that the A/D works over. It doesn't have to be 5 volts; it can be anything equal to or less than the supply voltage (typically). You may find that you can use an 8-bit convertor with something like a 2.5V reference. No need to "gain up" the signal unnecessarily. 

    Good luck; picking up voices, clearly, in a 20'x20' room, is not a trivial task. I'm thinking howling feedback, lot's of !@#$% feedback... 

     

    Mike T.

  • Thanks Ivan, I will look into these options.