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INA for electret microphone

Other Parts Discussed in Thread: INA217, INA163

Hello

I want to use a low noise instrumentation amplifier to detect the very small audio signals (in the order of some micro or nanovolts) of an electret microphone before feeding the signal into a digital operational amplifier. It is for a photoacoustic experiment to detect trace amounts of CO2, so low noise, a sufficient gain to feed the signal into the lock in and a wide dynamic range is important for me. To me, INA163/Ina217 was suggested (or is another one better?), and I have looked at the circuit of the professional microphone amplifier. However, I do not really understand the circuit and therefore, it it difficult for me to adjust it to my needs... I do not need a phantom power of +48V, can I just use 2 power supplies instead of 3 like you and use R1 to place 2 voltage at the microphone? It would look like the circuit of the person who has designed the circuit for the panasonic electret microphone in this forum. Or is there a problem with the incorrect current flowing into the opamp power supply pin when I use one power supply for both? I Can I choose a smaller Vpps without changing the values of the resistors and capacitors in the circtuit? Ofcourse, I need to change the value of R1 then, but otherwise?I Ofcourse, I want the minimal power consumption, but only if no deterioration of the system is the consequence! Now, in my application, I am only interested in the signal at 1000 Hz, so could I I place a bandpass filter somewhere in the circuit? Or would this increase the noise? Or would you consider this as not necessary as I use a lock in amplifier anyway afterwards? And what about the output? Can I just connect the output pin on my breadboard to the lock in via a bnc cable, or do I need to place additional things like capacitors and resistors? I really just work with a breadboard/europlatine where I stick/solder the microphone, the capacitors and resistors onto. The outputpin is also directly fed into the lock-in with a BNC cable. You see, I try to keep it simple as I am a chemist with no experience with electronics,  but I still need a good amplifier to do the first experiments!

The microphones I use: EM172 or EM173 and EM172 from Primo Microphones. Here is one more question: although EM172 is more sensitive, it has a smaller dynamic range. What would you think is more important in my case/fits better here? 

The lock in is the MFLI from Zurich Instruments.

I hope you can help me out here! Thank you already in advance, Patrizia

  • Hi Patrizia,

    That's a lot of info! 

    I would suggest a couple of things. First, there are a number of commercial "lab" amplifiers available. Have a look at this link: http://www.selectscience.net/products/differential-amplifier-(dp-301)/?prodID=93531 I'm not recommending this amplifier, I'm just pointing out that these are available. Perhaps there is a local University Electronics department that could help you find an appropriate one. This would allow you to do your experiments and not have to deal with building something.

    As far as building something; if we were provided with a block diagram of what you are looking for, it would be a great help. On the surface, what you're asking fo is not overly complicated, however if you have no experience, there are many "simple" things that could be overlooked. The breadboards where one sticks components into holes is not appropriate for this type of work. If you'd like something built for you, I can help with that. In that case, please PM me.

    Mike T.

  • Hi Patrizia,

    You could use lower phantom power if you need to.
    What do you mean by "use R1 to place 2 voltage at the microphone?"
    I think there should be no problem if you use one power supply for phantom power and INA power. Is your power supply too limited?
    I wouldn't recommend to use a breadboard for precision applications, that's because the breadboard may take some more noise into the signal.
    Have you performed any tests?
    I think precision amplifiers team made some suggestions. How did it go?
    Could you be more specific at which parts of the INA163/INA217 diagram you don't understand?
    Please let me know if you need any further support.

    Best regards,
    -Ivan Salazar
    Texas Instruments