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TPA3255EVM: Instability near clipping?

Part Number: TPA3255EVM
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: ALLIGATOR, TPA3255

When testing with 8 or 4 ohm resistive loads (8 ohms shown), the tips of the sine waves (both + and -) get a noise or instability on them as I get within a few volts of the clipping voltage. It triggers the Clipping LED on the EVM before the signal actually clips.  I'm using a 50v, 10a linear supply. Here is the scope view.  Is this normal or how can I reduce this effect?

  • John,

    This is normal if you're running out of voltage/current/etc. We can fix this!

    The clip LED comes on at very low levels of clipping and is typically used by the system controller to mitigate the causes of clipping (increase supply voltage, reduce volume, etc.). What you are seeing can be caused by a few things.

    You're not pushing too much power here (~30W) so your're not hitting the device THD.

    You mentioned a 10A supply, how much current is the EVM consuming on PVDD when you see the behavior above? According to your scope shot, the peak voltage is ~22V, at 8 ohms this is only ~3A so you should have head room there if the supply is truly 10A.

    Have you monitored the PVDD voltage over time? Is it dipping at all?

    Regards,

    -Adam
  • Thanks for the ideas, Adam.  I rechecked the supply voltage and now show it as the green line on the scope.  It does dip to about 49v at the peaks but as you can see, there is at least 4 volts of headroom both above and below the peaks when this effect starts.  By my calcs, with 45v-5v = 40v peak + and - going to the 8 ohm load (28v rms), it's really closer to 100w going to the load when the fuzziness appears.  Also below is a blowup of the fuzzy area at 2x vertical scale and 100us/div.  Looks like perhaps a frequency of maybe 60kHz - not the switching frequency for sure.  I may be able to add more L-C filtering to the output to reduce it.  One other thought is that I'm using a bank of wire-wound resistors as the load - may not be the most desirable load impedance?

  • John,

    It seems like you're in BTL mode?

    What you are seeing is the device trying to reduce clipping by skipping PWM pulses (hence the chattering at the sine peaks). Looking in the datasheet at figure 5, 100W is right at the start of device clipping and this is at 51V. At 50V it will be slightly worse.

    What is your power target?
    How many output channels are needed?

    You have some options.

    A) Increase the PVDD to 53.5V, this gives you a bit more headroom and therefore clean output power.
    B) Go back to 4 ohms and use either BTL or PBTL depending on your channel count and power need.

    Your load bank should be fine as long as they are rated for the power.

    Regards,

    -Adam

  • Adam,

    I think you solved the quandary.  I hadn't noticed the fine print in the data sheet about skipping pulses at clipping but that appears to be exactly what's happening.  I am going to increase the power supply to 53.5v to get a bit more power as you suggest.  I am limited in the supply power right now.  I have the linear supply which falls to 49v under load and a switching supply rated at 55v which is too high for the TPA.  In fact, the switching supply (generic type) is rather poorly regulated and will put out over 60v with low loads so that has to be further regulated if I'm going to use it.

    Ultimately I will be using TPA3255's for stereo power amplifiers rated at both 8 ohms and 4 ohms.  It looks like I can get a clean 125w into 8 ohms and 250w or so into 4 ohms and that will be just fine.  Using heavier wire will help, too!  (I was getting significant losses when first using alligator clips to test the load - I should have known better!)

    Thanks again for your fast responses.  This ticket can be closed out.

    Kit

  • Great to hear!

    Yes we stay well away from most clips and only use banana jacks if needed.

    Please do me a favor and click the "This resolved my issue" button on this thread.