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DAC8568: Bipolar operation with DAC8568C/D at AVdd +3.3V and internal 2.5V reference?

Part Number: DAC8568
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TL074H

Hello,

having browsed through the DAC8568 datasheet it is still not fully clear to me how the following combinations of input parameters would influence any design for bipolar operation:

  • DAC8568C/D, i.e. with gain=2 etc as per the datasheet, but with...
  • AVdd at least currently set to +3.3V, which in turn limits Vout accordingly.
  • Using the internal 2.5V reference (sidenote: also re-used externally for an ADC).
  • Two wanted output ranges depending on the DAC output pin, either +/-10V or +/-5V, both via TL074H op-amps.

The example provided in chapter 9.2.1.1.3 on page 50-51 in the datasheet focuses mainly on DAC8568A/B (gain=1 etc) at AVdd +5V and using an external +5V reference, but does not seem detailed/explicit enough with regards to a scenario like the above (?). Does anyone have further insight to share on this topic?

https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/dac8568.pdf
(+ https://www.ti.com/lit/an/slaa869/slaa869.pdf ? )

Thanks in advance,

BR//Karl

  • Hi Karl,

    I would use a higher AVDD if able to, as using the full VOUT range will be more accurate.


    Based on Equation 4 in the datasheet, on page 51, if you are using grades C/D, you will get a asymmetrical bipolar output, if only using one amplifier.

    Since grades C/D have a gain of 2, the positive range will always be further than the negative range.

    You could in turn use a DC offset op amp circuit to correct these, but this would complicate your circuit further.

    Thanks,
    Lucas

  • Indeed, and this was essentially also why I considered the application example incomplete as is. What would be your take on the three-resistor plus op-amp variant outlined in https://www.ti.com/lit/an/slaa869/slaa869.pdf though, given the constraints and needs outlined above? Thanks :)

  • Hi Karl,

    That document is useful, but it has the same issue as the previous equation.

    Since VDAC is x2 the value of VREF, the positive scale will always be larger than the negative scale.
    These circuits were designed with a VREF = DAC Fullscale.

    Since a RFB/RG1 ratio of 4 would be needed to get -10 V zero code, it would make the minimum full scale value attainable as 15 V.
    (1 + 4 + 0) Vdac - 4 Vref

    Using a 5 V external reference, dividing the DAC output, or gaining the VREF from the DAC x2 (depending on desired accuracy), could be a possible solution.

    Thanks,
    Lucas

  • Thanks Lucas - as there is seemingly no practical/easy way around the various aspects of the 2x gain on C/D in this case, I will consider changing to AVdd and external Vref at +5V (nb. also for the ADC then) instead, assuming the digital logic remaining at 3.3V levels will still be OK, cf. the datasheet page 7 stating a minimum high of 0.625 × AVdd for 4.5V ≤ AVdd ≤ 5.5V (i.e. minimum 5*0.625 = 3.125V for the high state, which is arguably a bit tight but presumably a scenario considered in the design of the DAC856x series?).

    BR//Karl

  • Hi Karl,

    Yes, having 3.3 V logic with a 5 V AVDD was specifically included for this device, so you will not experience any issues with that.

    I'll close this thread for now. Please reply on this thread if you have any other concerns.

    Thanks,
    Lucas

  • Hi Karl,

    This device's C and D grades have the gain of 2, so if you used a 5 V reference for the DAC, the output would be 0 - 10 V, which would be clipped by the AVDD headroom. I would use a precise 5 V signal for your op amp stage and keep using the 2.5 V internal reference.

    I simulated the circuit with VS1 being the DAC output of 0 - 5 V with the 2.5 V reference and EXT being an external 5 V signal.
    VF1 gives ±5 V, and VF2 gives ±10 V.



    Let me know if there are any questions.

    Thanks,
    Lucas

  • Ah, of course, thanks Lucas.
    BR//Karl