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DAC8831: noisy output

Part Number: DAC8831
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: DAC8832, TIPD192, THS4561, PSIEVM, , DAC82001

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Dear TI experts:

We try to use DAC8831 to generate analog signals, but the output signal of DAC8831 is noisy. Could you help us analyze the reasons and improve the quality of the DAC8831's output signal?

DAC8831 evaluation board 1

The evaluation board is designed based on TIPD192. We use DAC8831 (SO-14) to replace DAC8832 in TIPD192. The schematic and PCB are as follows.

Fig.1 to Fig.3 are the schematic and PCB of the DAC8831 evaluation board 1.

 

The test setup is as follows.

The single end signal is input to a single-end-to-differential circuit (THS4561), the differential signal is sampled by ADS9120EVM (bought from TI). The data acquisition part (the single-end-to-differential circuit and ADS9120EVM) is verified by PSIEVM (bought from TI). The THD of the data acquisition part is as low as -118 dB.

The FPGA control board is also verified in other experiment. It is used to control the sampling of an ADC. The sampled sine wave is clean.

We use the DAC8831 evaluation board 1 to generate a single-end sine wave signal, and use the same data acquisition part to sample the sine wave signal. The experiment shows that, the output signal of DAC8831 is impure.

Fig.4. Test setup.

Fig.5 and Fig.6. The sinusoidal waveform and spectrum of the DAC8831 output (board1).

Fig.7 and Fig.8.The digital waveform of the DAC8831 is set to be DC (voltage = 0V). The output results are as above.

DAC8831 evaluation board 2.

We also design another DAC8831 evaluation board based on DAC8831EVM. In this board, analog ground and digital ground are separated, and connected by a magnetic bead on the bottom layer.

The output of DAC8831 is also bad.

Red(1)-top layer, green(2)-ground, dark red(3)-power, blue(4)-bottom layer. The oscillator and its nearby resistors and capacitors are not placed (DNP).

The sinusoidal waveform and spectrum of the DAC8831 output (board2).

  • Hi Chen,

    Your layouts look ok. Given that the output is still noisy even when static, it's likely not related to clock feedthrough or output glitch. Can you measure both the reference voltage and the DAC output directly (before the op amp) and see if you can isolate the noise source?

    Best,

    Katlynne Jones

  • Hi Katlynne,

    Thank you for your reply!
    Following your suggestion, I measured the reference voltage, its noise level is acceptable.
    The issue appears to stem from DAC glitches interfering with the output. The results are plotted as follows.

    I have searched DAC glitch mitigation methods in the forum. I have found three methods:
    1. RC filter at the DAC output.
    2. Sample-and-hold (S/H) switch at the DAC output.
    3. Capacitor between the output and feedback loop.
    So far, I have tried the first method (RC filter) and observed improvement.

    I have following questions:

    1. Is C10 (in the first PCB layout in Figure 1) an example of the capacitor mentioned in the third method? The figure shown as follows is the third method.

    2. Would combining all three methods yield better glitch suppression? Is it necessary?

    Thank you for your time and support!

    Best regards,

    Chen

  • Hi Chen,

    Good to see adding an RC filter helped mitigate some of the noise. A capacitor between RFB and VOUT is correct for question 1. Combining all three methods would help.

    The DAC8831 is an old R2R DAC, and these DACs tend to feature bad glitch, which is showing as noise on your output. If you don't require the low power of the DAC8831, you could look into some of our low noise/glitch DACs, such as the DAC82001.

    Thanks,
    Erin

  • Hi Erin,

    Thank you for your reply and for sending the DAC recommendation. This is very helpful!

    Best regards,

    Chen