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ADC12D1600

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Are the ADC12D1600 outputs compatible with the Kintex 1.8V HP “LVDS” inputs?

The ADC data sheet says:

The Data, ORI, ORQ, DCLKI and DCLKQ outputs are LVDS.

The electrical specifications of the LVDS outputs are compatible

with typical LVDS receivers available on ASIC and

FPGA chips; but they are not IEEE or ANSI communications

standards compliant due to the low +1.9V supply used on this

chip.

 

The Xilinx UG471 says:

7 series FPGA I/Os are designed to comply with the EIA/TIA

electrical specifications for LVDS to make system and board design easier.

The LVDS standard, which requires a VCCO output driver level of 1.8V, is available in the

HP I/O banks.

 

The ADC data sheet also has voltage levels specified, but I don’t see voltage levels in any Xilinx literature.

  • First a little background on LVDS I/O levels. The standards were developed to allow high speed differential signals to be sent between pieces of equipment, sometimes over cables up to meters in length. In those cases there is the possibility of different GND levels or common mode shifts between the transmit and the receive side. To give the maximum possible common mode capability in those situations it is desired to have the transmitter outputting at a common mode that is exactly in the center of the common mode input range of the receiver.

    In the GSPS ADC applications, the transmitter is always located in the same box as the receiver and almost always on the same board. Sometimes the signals may go through a connector or two, but the grounding is usually very good between TX and RX. So we don't have to worry about common mode shifts of any significance.

    Since the GSPS ADC devices use a 1.9V supply, it is more challenging to create an LVDS output with a standard 1.2V common mode voltage. So the default mode of operation for these devices has an output common mode voltage of 0.8V. This is lower than the standard 1.2V, but is still well within the common mode range of all LVDS receivers I have reviewed. The Vicm spec for the Kintex 7 (ds182_Kintex_7_Data_Sheet.pdf, Table 8 and Table 9) lists the following: Vicm_min = 0.3V, Vicm_typ = 1.2V, Vicm_max = 1.425V.

    Reviewing the Vod levels of the GSPS ADCs, there are two different settings. The lower swing setting provides Vod_typ = 460mVp-p (230mVpk), Vod_min = 230mVp-p (115mVpk) and Vod_max = 630mVp-p (315mVpk). The higher swing setting provides Vod_typ= 630mVp-p (315mVpk), Vod_min = 400mVp-p (200mVpk) and Vod_max = 800mVp-p (400mVpk).  

    The bracketed peak values are the ones that are appropriate to compare to the FPGA Vidiff specifications. The Kintex 7 devices have Vidiff_min = 100mV and Vidiff_max = 600mV.

    Based on this information the TX and RX common mode and differential levels are completely compatible.

  • I have a related question.  What is the difference between the ADC12Dxx00 and the ADC12Dxx00RF.  I can't seem to tell any difference between the two other than small differences in their dynamic performance specifications.

    Thanks, Matt

  • 7851.ADC12DXRF versus nonRF.pdf

    This short presentation summarizes the differences between the ADC12DxxxxRF and the ADC12Dxxxx (non-RF) product families.

    One point of note; the new DESCLKIQ mode does improve input bandwidth over DESIQ mode, but at the expense of channel to channel matching. Worse matching leads to significantly larger interleaving spurs in that mode of operation which must be mitigated via either post processing of data, or additional fine tuning of device settings for the particular operating conditions.

    Best regards,

    Jim B

     

     

  • Jim -

    Thanks for the response, that makes it very clear for me.

    I am looking for contact info for both Applications Eng. and Pricing for you A/D converter line.  Can you provide POC(s)??

    Thanks, Matt

  • Matt,

    can you provide your contact information so that we can get you in line with the right support?

    thanks,

    Michelle