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unbuffered REF5040A with ADS131E06 for <2kHz 15-bit application?

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I'm using the ADS131E06 to measure <2kHz signals to a required "noise-free" resolution of 125uV at the input (considering all gain drift errors, but not reference or converter noise), with ~8kSPS output data rate (decimation ratio 128), PGA gain=2, and a REF5040A external reference.  By my calculations, this is equivalent to 15 bit [noise-free] resolution.  The ADS131E06 datasheet shows a buffered external reference circuit, but considering my requirements, I would like to use just the REF5040A with a 1uF input bypass, 1uF NR to GND, and 47uF tantalum output cap.  There would also be a 10uF || 0.1uF between REFP and REFN at the converter input (still close to the reference output cap).  The expected ambient temp range is -40 to +85C.

I'm hoping the large tantalum output cap will reduce overall noise and gain peaking, and this and the limited bandwidth will help counter the [unspecified] increased noise at 85C, resulting in noise inside the converter that will be <1 LSB.

Do you think this is an adequate solution?

For background, I'll be synchronously sampling 1024 points (8 waveform cycles) before doing an FFT to derive fundamental and harmonic magnitudes, so this should help to average out any remaining noise effects.

  • Hey Bruce,

    The large output cap will be good for decoupling and will definitely serve as a good bucket of charge for the ADS131E06's reference input to pull from during the sampling event, but the noise filtering happens at the NR pin. By placing a 1 uF capacitor there, I calculate you will have a corner frequency of 14.5 Hz from the bandgap. You might be concerned about noise from the buffer, but the bandgap is the real noise culprit. Besides, if you were to place a resistor at the output of the reference, it would increase the driver's output impedance and lead to distortion in the ADC's output.

    Unfortunately you will never be able to decrease the noise on the ADS131E06 to below an LSB. As I  mentioned in this post, reference noise does not factor into the input-short test noise that is given in the datasheet. The noise that's specified in the ADS131E06 really is the "best case" scenario for noise.

    Regards,

    Brian

  • Brian,

    Thanks for the clarification regarding the noise sources. I didn't plan to use any series resistance at the output since there's no buffer. How about if I increase the NR cap to 10uF? That should lower the corner frequency to 1.45Hz, and the increased reference start-up time shouldn't matter to me. Of course, the 1K internal resistor going to the NR pin limits the ultimate noise attenuation at higher frequencies, and the 1/f noise of the on-chip reference buffer isn't affected by this filter.

    Your explanation regarding the converter noise tables is clear. When I commented about noise being <1 LSB, I didn't mean the converter's LSB (2E-24), but the "LSB" of my 15-bit required resolution (2E-15) = 125uV (input-referred).

    So, bottom line, with 10uF on NR, and 47uF tant. || 10uF || 0.1uF at ouput/VREFP, do you think the reference noise at VREFP on the ADS131E06 will be below 250uVp-p at 85C?

    Related question: Does having a 10uF ceramic (~.2 ohm ESR) in parallel with the 47uf tantalum (~1.1 ohm ESR) defeat the latter's ability to reduce the output gain peaking, since data sheet states that ~1 ohm ESR is what is necessary to optimize this?

    Thanks,
    Bruce
  • Hey Bruce,

    I simulated the proposed circuit in TINA using an ideal op-amp to analyze the stability of the circuit with the passives you suggested. I did not see any gain peaking. If you are concerned about it, there is always the option that you place a resistor footprint in series with 10uF cap and populate it with a 0 Ohm unless you recognize oscillation on the reference input.

    As for noise, they spec the noise as being only a few uVpp assuming the NR cap is 1 uF. By increasing that cap value, you will be decreasing the noise further. Either way the reference noise should be nowhere near 250 uVpp.

    Regards,
    Brian Pisani