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DLP7000UV: Symptoms after replacement

Part Number: DLP7000UV
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: DLP7000, DLPLCRC410EVM, ALP

Tool/software:

After replacing the DLP7000, the DMD does not work. Please let me know the possible causes.
When looking at the reflected light from the DMD in its initial state, thick horizontal lines appear to shine strongly.
Do I need any initial settings?

  • Hello Masahide-san,

    This sounds like several Reset block connections are not making good contact with the DMD.  You will need to carefully inspect the pads on the back of the DMD and on the DMD board for debris.  They pads can be cleaned with isopropyl alcohol.  Also inspect (with a stereoscope or similar) the interposer that goes between the DMD and the DMD board.  Also when you re-install the DMD/interposer, make sure to tighten them down in a criss-cross pattern a 1/4 turn at a time like you would do when installing a tire on a car.

    Fizixi

  • Dear Fizix-san
    Thank you for your reply.
    I'll try removing the DMD and reinstalling it to check.

    Masahide Hayashi

  • Please let me know if it resolves the issues.

  • Dear Fizix-san

    I tried taking out the DMD and cleaning the contacts with alcohol and cotton swabs, then reinstalling it, but that didn't solve the problem.
    However, the brightness and darkness appear to be slightly different.

    I have one question.
    When the interposer and the guide plate on the board are tightened to the specified torque, the board will be slightly deformed.
    This can be understood by the fact that the force is applied to the three protrusions that support the DMD due to its structure, so unless the board sandwiched between them is kept floating, the DMD cannot be held down, but the board bends. I don't think we can make good contact with this, but how should we approach this?

    Masahide Hayashi

  • Hello again Masahide-san,

    Please try loosening them and use about 1/2 of the torque.  Where are you getting the torque specification from?  We have changed recommendation since torque changes with screw type, materials etc.  If the board is bending noticeably, then it is to much.

    Try this and let me know if it changes anything.  You may want to loosen the screws and let the system sit for 8 hours and then gently re-tighten them.  After gently torqueing them down bring the system up and see if it is working.  repeat by 1/4 turns until the system works.  After it does tighten them each 1/8 turn more.

    Fizix

  • Dear Fizix-san

    Thank you for your answer.
    Today I'm going to try loosening the screw and then gradually tightening it 1/4 turn at a time.
    The specified torque is shown in the attachment. Please provide documentation of the revised recommendations.

    Other information:
    1.At first, there were light and dark stripes, but after DMD operated only once, it became uniform.After that, the problem cannot be reproduced because DMD does not work.
    2. When I increased the output of the LD and observed the reflected light from the DMD, the reflected light appeared to be uniform.Attached photo (last)

    Could you please provide an explanation of the possible mechanisms for these phenomena and any clues to solving them?

  • Hello again Masahide-san,

    Could you provide the TI literature/document number that this torques spec is from?

    In the first case it looks like some of the MBRST lines were not connected properly.  This could be cause by debris on the DMD and/or DMD board pads.

    The interposer could also have missing or damaged "C" springs.

    It could also be caused by debris on the flex cable pins (if you are using the TI EVM) at either end (DMD board or controller board) or the pads at either end.

    Depending on which signals are affected the DMD may not display anything.

    Fizix

  • Dear Fizix-san

    I have a report and a question about the situation after that.
    After releasing the torque, I gradually tightened it to check the condition, but there was no change.

    I noticed that there was a difference in the gap between the DMD board and the boss of the interface shown below, so I first checked the dimensions to see if it was okay to manage it with torque.

    The variation is within 0.1 mm, including measurement error, so the fact that the gap is not the same means that the reaction force of the leaf spring is not equal on the left and right, so the actual pressure on the board is not uniform.
    So, I checked the light in a state where the gap was equalized instead of the torque, and the reflected light in the initial state was uniform. (Attached photo)
    However, the DMD is still in a state where it does not work.

    So, my question is, the backer plate in the figure below is probably made of aluminum, but if you know the reason for this material selection, please let me know.
    If you want to apply pressure evenly without deforming the board, I think it is better to use a plate with high rigidity and flatness.
    At present, we suspect that because this plate is deforming, it is causing the board to deform as well, which means that uneven force is not being applied to the 150 contacts, causing the malfunction, so if there is any reason for this, we would appreciate it if you could let us know.

    This time, we don't have the time to leave it for 8 hours, so we will need to work on it again at a later date to check, and at that time we would like to try changing the material of the backer plate if it is okay.

  • Masahide-san,

    I think something may not be correct in your stack up.  The "W" spring should only be putting pressure on the heat stud against the thermal are of the DMD.  I have the following questions.

    - In your system what is the front plate (shown in yellow in the TI diagram you show on the left made of?

    - In your system what is the backer plate (shown in red in the diagram) made of?

    - Is this the TI DLPLCRC410EVM board, or a PCB of your own design?

    The standoffs that the screws go into on the front plate (yellow) should limit the amount of force that can be exerted between the front plate and the backer and therefore on the DMD, interposer, PCB stack up.  

    Please see if you can get a picture of the gap/variation you mention.

    Fizix

  • Dear Fizix-san

    I think both the front plate shown in yellow in the diagram and the backer plate shown in red in the diagram are aluminum alloy.
    The board is TI DLPLCRC410EVM.

    I have attached a photo of the gap and the DMD peripheral parts.
    The control board was made by ViALUX, and the specified torque was provided by ViALUX. It is expected that the structure of the DMD board will be different.

  • Masahide-san,

    Thank you for the pictures.  Would it be possible to draw an arrow to the gap you are referring to?

    I would also like to get ViALUX involved since they are the maker of the control board.  Did they also supply the DMD mounted to the DMD board?

    Fizix

  • Dear Fizix-san

    The gaps are illustrated with arrows.
    We have also asked ViALUX questions and requested their cooperation.
    Although we have not seen the DMD board made by ViALUX, we were asked about the difference in structure since information on the tightening torque was provided.

  • Masahide-san,

    Thank you for the picture.  Let me contact ViALUX to get their input on this.  This may take a couple of days.

    Fizix

  • Dear Fizix-san

    I understand. Thank you very much for your support.We look forward to your reply.

  • Masahide-san,

    I was able to exchange email with ViALUX.  They believe that there is something preventing the interposer from seating correctly against the PCB board.  I have studied your images closely and it is clear that Pin 1A is in the right place relative to the PCB board.

    In my experience the gap suggests that there is something in the way, like the guide of the interposer is not going all the way into the guide hole on the DMD board.  Without the DMD in the interposer do the guide pins on the PCB side of the interposer seat all the way down against the PCB board?

    We are a bit stumped.

    Fizix

  • Dear Fizix-san

    Thank you for the response from ViALUX.
    The DMD board seems to be made by Digital Light innovations.
    Since it has the TI logo on it, is it safe to assume that it is structurally the same as the DLPLCR70UVEVM? I think there is no problem with the interposer and DMD fitting, but just to be sure, I would like to purchase a set of DLPLCR70UVEVM and replace it to see how it goes. There's no problem since it comes with DMD, right?
    By the way, is there any experience of replacing only the DMD when using DLPLCR70UVEVM? Or is it common to replace the entire board? I'm curious if you've had a similar problem in the past.
  • Hello Masahide-san,

    Physically the Visible and UV DMD's are mechanically identical.  There should be no problem interchanging them.

    You are correcte that Dli makes the DMD boards.  The controller boards are also made by Dli for the ALP kits.  ViALUX also makes high speed boards that they design.  I recommend looking over their line of offerings.

    Fizix

  • Dear Fizix-san

    Thank you for your reply.
    If there is any progress, we may consult with you again.
    Thank you for your continued support.

  • Masahide-san,

    Please let me work with the ViALUX and the Design partner in Japan that your are working with.

    Fizix

  • Masahide-san,

    I spoke with both the design partner and ViALUX on this.  Were you able to get a working solution?  I would like to close out this thread.  If needed you can open a new one.

    Fizix

  • Dear Fizix-san

    We thought that the problem might be caused by the DMD board, so we purchased a DLP7000UV board unit from your company.
    I tried replacing it, but the result was the same, horizontal stripes were visible in the initial state, and the DMD did not work.
    
    I am using a control board made by ViALUX, but I think there may be a problem on this side.
    Could you please give me some advice on how to check if there is a problem with the control board and what to do about it?


  • ;Hello again Masahide-san

    SInce you replaced both the DMD and the DMD board then the problem lies elsewhere.  Is this a custom APPS_FPGA build or is the the default build that comes on the DLPC410EVM board?

    Fizix

  • Dear Fizix-san

    As for the situation after that, the horizontal stripes of the DMD reflected light disappeared during the first operation the next day and it worked.Therefore, I think there is no problem with the control board.
    However, even though I didn't do anything to it, it was in an unstable state, sometimes not working.
    I think the reason it worked properly was because the flex cable connection became more stable. What do you think?

    Assuming that the cause is an unstable flex cable connection, it would be necessary to control the tightening method and torque.If you have any such know-how, please let me know.
    Also, is there any harm in reattaching the flex cable over and over again?
    Thank you for your advice.

    I have attached photos of the state in which the DMD's reflected light stripes have disappeared, and the state in which the stripe pattern has changed due to cable replacement.

    I don't know the details about the build, but can you tell anything from the picture of the control board?

  • Dear Fizix-san

    Regarding the screw torque requirements for the flex cable, Amphenol's drawings listed 0.7-0.9N・m.
    I will try this as well, so please let me know again.

  • Hello Masahide-san,

    Fizix is currently Out of Office until the 3rd of February. Please await his response at that time.

    Thank you!

    Aaron

  • Hello Masahide-san,

    I am very puzzled by this.  Does the new DMD/DMD board set exhibit the same gap as the original set?  DId the new set come preassembled (i.e. DMD mounted to the DMD board and bracket?

    Fizix