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DLP2010: Is modulating the LEDs in theory relevant if a monochrome whitelight projection is needed?

Part Number: DLP2010
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: DLPA2000, DLPC3430, DLPC3470, DLPC3435, TIDA-00325

I was told not long ago that due to limitations in software or maybe hardware of the DLP2010 controller chip you can only run in monochrome 960 Hz mode (8 bit x 120 Hz) one of the LEDs, not all on, and you also can't run at 1440 Hz (24 bit x 120 Hz) in color sequential mode, even though that is how the full color 24 bit 120 Hz is achieved, by a fast series of monochrome frames.

After reading articles on the inner workings of DMDs I have this realization: if I need 960 Hz monochrome but with all LEDs on (whitelight), why not just power on the LEDs not via the DLPController chip but otherwise and just keep them on without modulating? From what I understand modulation is just there so the color sequential RGB can be achieved in full color mode, if you just need one color and monochrome you can have that color light source on all the time and have the micromirrors either deflect them from the projection lens and screen or direct them. For the same reason you can have all the LEDs on all the time and not controlled/modulated by the DLPController chip to get the white light deflected or directed by each micromirror to show or not show a monochrome pixel.

I believe this workaround should allow me to get a white monochrome frames from a DMD such as DLP2010 from my understanding how DMDs create pixels and what the whole purpose of modulating the LEDs is.

Still I would like someone who has a professional knowledge on how DMDs work exactly to verify this theory and my proposed workaround for achieving what I need not supported by the DLPController chip yet.

  • Dear Armen,
    Could you please share your application and intended use case? The DLP technology is offered as chipset solution and optimized for a specific application. DLP 2010 chipset for display application includes DLP2010 DMD, DLPC3430/35 display controller and Power Management IC (PMIC) DLPA2000/2005/3000. This chipset is optimized to provide best performance and image quality for display application. Any usage outside the specification/scope of the chipset, may compromise the product performance including life.

    Your application or use case seems to be light control. Please review the Pico light controller DLPC3470
    www.ti.com/.../dlpc3470
    This chipset may meet your requirement. With this controller you can use a white LED and drive at your target pattern rate.
    As far as driving all three LEDs simultaneously to generate white light, I do see several issues irrespective of DLP:
    1. The power consumption will be very high. It is inefficient power wise and there may be serious thermal management problem.
    2. White point / color temperature – You need to control each illumination to maintain color temperature (ex 6500K). If the is thermal problem, the color temperature will shift and it will be difficult to maintain.

    regards,
    Vivek Thakur
  • Hello, thank you very much for the info.

    First, can you please tell me, besides the issues you mentioned, if what I described will work, visually? In other words, do I understand the purpose of the modulation of the LEDs?

    Now, my intended usage is light field display. The specific design I am working on requires very fast refresh rates (>1000 Hz), this can be achieved by using monochrome frame and Floyd-Steinberg dithering in software.
    So I need very fast refresh rates in monochrome, but still send the frames via HDMI.

    The reason I want to use the DLP2010 DMD is the cost, using other chipsets will be too expensive to make this an affordable consumer product.

    Few weeks ago I had a private message exchange with another employee and he gave me the impression that high (>= 960Hz) refresh rates with HDMI input were not possible with the DLP2010 DMD if in monochrome mode more than one LED is needed to be turned on. And he offered me to use other bigger chipsets such as 4500 which I explained will make the product not affordable to consumers.

    But it may have been a miscommunication and he may have been saying what I want is not possible with the DLP2010 Evaluation module rather than the DMD.

    Are you saying with that other DLPController chip you linked to the DLP2010 DMD can be ran via HDMI input at 24x120= 2880 Hz and the DLPC3470 can be set to use all 3 LEDs for each monochrome frame rather than one of the LEDs as is the limitation with the LIghtCrafter2010/DLPC3435?

    If so, even better.

    Then I will ask, is Texas Instruments or one of its partners selling an evaluation module which use this DLP2010 DMD/DLPC3470 controller combo, with a 120Hz HDMI input support?

  • Hi Armen,
    The DLP2010LCR2010EVM is designed for standard display application. It is uses DLP2010 DMD and DLPC3435 display controller. This EVM and the display controller DLPC3435 cannot support high frame rate (960Hz- 1 bit) required by your application.

    The DLPC3470 controller with DLP2010 DMD will meet your requirement. The samples of this new controller are available. The EVMs for this controller is currently not available. You may want to consider designing your own electronic board with this controller. You can buy the DLP2010 optical engine from supplier at the following link:
    www.ti.com/.../buy-optical-engine.html

    Regards,
    Vivek
  • Thank you.

    1) So I take it that the DLPC3470 can stream 2880 monochrome frames per second via HDMI by using HDMI in 120Hz 24 bit RGB mode, and have all 3 LEDs on for every monochrome frame?
    The reference isn't very clear. Please verify that. The reference states:

    "In 1-bit pattern mode each of the 24-bit inputs are treated as a separate binary pattern resulting in a
    maximum of 24 patterns. The maximum pattern rate for each 1-bit pattern is 2 kHz."

    I may simply not be understanding what "pattern" is in this context. Also I can't find info in the reference if all 3 LEDs can be on for each monochrome frame.

    Please verify I have the right info before I commit to designing a whole board around this.

    2) Is there anyone here who can provide the proper firmware for such a board/ the DLPC3470 controller?

    3) Final question: Do you know any TI partners who I can commission to design the board with the DLPC controller IC I need? Such as Anhuaoe?
  • Hi Armen,
    Thank you for your patience.
    Please find response your questions :


    Armen wrote >
    ------------------------------------------------
    1) So I take it that the DLPC3470 can stream 2880 monochrome frames per second via HDMI by using HDMI in 120Hz 24 bit RGB mode, and have all 3 LEDs on for every monochrome frame?
    The reference isn't very clear. Please verify that. The reference states:

    "In 1-bit pattern mode each of the 24-bit inputs are treated as a separate binary pattern resulting in a
    maximum of 24 patterns. The maximum pattern rate for each 1-bit pattern is 2 kHz."
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Vivek> You can configure this controller to process a 24-bit pixel value as 24 independent 1-bit values i.e. a WVGA( 854x480) image with 24-bits per pixel will be processed as 24 independent 1-bit plane of 854x480. Upon receiving a 854x480 image (24 bits per pixel), controller will first display a Bit 23 of every pixel, followed by bit 22 and so on. If the input frame rate is 120Hz then the effective frame rate for 1 bit patterns will be 120x24 =2880 Hz.

    Armen wrote >
    ----------------------------------------------------
    I may simply not be understanding what "pattern" is in this context. Also I can't find info in the reference if all 3 LEDs can be on for each monochrome frame.
    -------------------------------------------------------

    Vivek> I hope previous paragraph explains "pattern".
    The Power Management IC (DLPA2000/2005/3000) which is part of chipset does not support running all LEDs simultaneously. The firmware of DLPC3470 controller also does not support running all LEDs simultaneously. In 1 bit pattern mode, the firmware will allow you to select one of LEDs for illumination.

    Armen wrote >
    ---------------------------------------
    Please verify I have the right info before I commit to designing a whole board around this.

    2) Is there anyone here who can provide the proper firmware for such a board/ the DLPC3470 controller?
    -------------------------------------

    Vivek> The firmware is delivered along with optical engine which has DMD integrated in it. The DLPC3470 is currently in preview i.e not in production. It will be in production in near future. The firmware will be available from Optical engine manufactures around that time.

    www.ti.com/.../optical-module.html


    Armen wrote >
    --------------------------------------------------
    3) Final question: Do you know any TI partners who I can commission to design the board with the DLPC controller IC I need? Such as Anhuaoe?
    ----------------------------

    Vivek> Most of the “design service providers” will be able to design this board for you. Please contact them.
    You can find list of design service provider along types of services provided at the following link:

    www.ti.com/.../design-service-providers.html


    regards,
    Vivek
  • Thank you for clarifying what the upcoming chipset will be capable of. However, I am confused. Do the optical engine providers/ design service providers have some DLPC3470 chips now, and able to write firmware for it? Because if not then how can they create a board around it?
    Earlier you said the samples for it are available but I am not sure what that means when it comes to me and the above partners being able to get them today.
    And is there any estimated date for mass production? It may be few months or a whole year, I would like to know when to plan my product for consumers.



    And you explained that the The Power Management IC and DLPC3470 still cannot have all LEDs on at the same time in monochrome external pattern streaming mode. Well then, I will get back to my original question. "Is modulating the LEDs in theory relevant if a monochrome whitelight projection is needed?"
    Because, again, if I understand how DMDs work, it shouldn't matter whether they all modulate or don't modulate, for monochrome frames.
    Besides color shifting due to bad thermal management and more power consumption/heat which you mentioned, is there any reason my proposed method may not work?

    Thank you.

  • Please let me know if you need help on this subject or have additional question. If not, I am tentatively closing this thread.
    regards,
    Vivek
  • Please reply to my previous question. Reposted:

    Thank you for clarifying what the upcoming chipset will be capable of. However, I am confused. Do the optical engine providers/ design service providers have some DLPC3470 chips now, and able to write firmware for it? Because if not then how can they create a board around it?
    Earlier you said the samples for it are available but I am not sure what that means when it comes to me and the above partners being able to get them today.
    And is there any estimated date for mass production? It may be few months or a whole year, I would like to know when to plan my product for consumers.



    And you explained that the The Power Management IC and DLPC3470 still cannot have all LEDs on at the same time in monochrome external pattern streaming mode. Well then, I will get back to my original question. "Is modulating the LEDs in theory relevant if a monochrome whitelight projection is needed?"
    Because, again, if I understand how DMDs work, it shouldn't matter whether they all modulate or don't modulate, for monochrome frames.
    Besides color shifting due to bad thermal management and more power consumption/heat which you mentioned, is there any reason my proposed method may not work?

    Thank you.
  • Armen,
    DLPC3470 datasheet and samples are available now. This should allow to you to start board development and not wait for final production release of the device. You can leverage the existing reference design based on DLPC3435 (www.ti.com/.../tida-00325) because DLPC3470 is pin compatible with DLPC3435.

    Your question about modulating LED for monochrome - We need to module LED even for monochrome to prevent stray light reflected during mirrors transition and reset state.

    regards,
    Vivek
  • I checked the datasheet and the info is confusing and maybe contradictory to what another employee from TI told me before.

    I expected to be able to have 2880Hz monochrome framerate by streaming and splitting 24 bit HDMI frames at 120Hz into individual 1 bit frames (24x120 = 2880) which one of your employee said will work with this IC however the datasheet only mentions "8-bit Monochrome". Monochrome is monochrome (1 bit), what on earth is this new term "8-bit Monochrome" term?

  • Hi Armen,

    Your question:
    >>And is there any estimated date for mass production? It may be few months or a whole year, I would like to know when to plan my product for consumers.

    DLPC3470 controller is now in preview. Normally TI preview devices which are in advance stage of development i.e. only few months from production so that customers can start their development early.

    You can start your system design and EE board development by leveraging existing reference design for DLCP3435 (www.ti.com/.../tida-00325). The DLPC3470 is pin compatible with DLPC3435.

    Your question:
    >> Because, again, if I understand how DMDs work, it shouldn't matter whether they all modulate or don't modulate, for monochrome frames.
    Besides color shifting due to bad thermal management and more power consumption/heat which you mentioned, is there any reason my proposed method may not work?

    DMD mirrors switch which displaying a frame even a monochrome. We need to modulate the LED to prevent stray light from getting projection lens during mirror switching and reset cycles.

    I hope this answers your question.

    regards,
    Vivek
  • Thank you. But looks like you missed my last message and replied to the one before it again. Reposting: "I checked the datasheet and the info is confusing and maybe contradictory to what another employee from TI told me before.

    I expected to be able to have 2880Hz monochrome framerate by streaming and splitting 24 bit HDMI frames at 120Hz into individual 1 bit frames (24x120 = 2880) which one of your employee said will work with this IC however the datasheet only mentions "8-bit Monochrome". Monochrome is monochrome (1 bit), what on earth is this new term "8-bit Monochrome" term?"
  • Hi Armen,
    I am sorry for oversight. Monochrome is refers that only one color channel is used for display. This device does support up to 2880 Hz 1-bit pattern. 8-Bit Monochrome means that only one color channel is used and each pixel in the pattern use 8 bit for gray value. In case of 8-bit pattern and you would split 24-bit HDMI frame at 120Hz in 360Hz 8-bit pattern.



    Note : In page 35 , line under figure 18 has typo error. It will be corrected in next revision.
    It says:
    "• 24x8-bit patterns are displayed within input VSYNC"
    It should be
    "24x1-bit patterns are displayed within VSYNC"

    I hope this explains.

    Regards,
    Vivek
  • I think the term "8 bit monochrome" is misleading, if it's more than 1 bit its grayscale and should be labelled as such, not "monochrome". I understand the reasoning in that "grayscale" is understood as a shade between black and white and "monochrome" is used to refer to single color but that may just cause confusion.

    "This device does support up to 2880 Hz 1-bit pattern."

    In HDMI streaming mode?

  • "This device does support up to 2880 Hz 1-bit pattern."
    -> Yes, with external streaming mode
    "In HDMI streaming mode?"

    HDMI interface is not part of DLP Chipset. You can imlement HDMI interface in your system with a separate front end chip. In a typical system, this front end chip will take input video stream from HDMI and send to DLP controller over 24-bit parallel interface.

    Regards,
    Vivek
  • Sorry, I meant to write "external streaming mode" rather than HDMI. Well if it allows to stream at 2880 Hz in external streaming mode than my question is answered. Thank you.