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DP83867CS: SNLA290 clarification

Part Number: DP83867CS

Hi Team,

we have some questions regarding SNLA290 AppNote.

1) CLoad in equation (1) page 4 - corresponds to the load capacitance specified in the datasheet of the quartz crystal ?

2) Cpin in equation (1) page 4 - is the sum of Xi + Xo capacitance of the input and output pin of the DP83867CS ?

3)  The Cload calculation on page 5 is wrong, assuming Cpin = 2*1pF, Cstray = 2pF and CL1=CL2= 30pF then the Cload = 15 + 2 + 2 = 19pF and not 18pF ?

* EDIT, the calculation is ok, i used the wrong parameters.

4) How is the component tolerance in ppm estimated to be +/-8ppm ?

5) In equation (2)  on page 5 what value is the -gM parameter?

6) In equation (2) on page 5 the omega represents = 2*f*pi , where f is the quartz frequnecy 25MHz ?

7) The Figure 4 x-axis is CL , is this CL = to CL1 = to CL2 ? or is the CL on figure 4 x-axis the load capacitance from quarz datasheet?

8)"For example, a crystal with an ESR of 30 ohms must use a load capacitance of no larger than approximately 19 pF if the expected worst case operating temperature is 125C."

is this statement correct?  because if we look at the fugure 4 , the CL should be smaller then 25pF and not 19pF? Blue line is the 5* 30 ohm = 150 ohm and the intersection with red line is at 25pf.

9) in 3.9 Crystal Drive Level is mentioned that Ti PHY can work with low power qurtz down to 100uW

how can we calculate the drive level at which is the TI PHY driving the quartz?

10) in summary page 8 , the stated Load capacitance corresponds to CL1=CL2=CL=Cload discrete capacitors , or to the load capacitance of the quartz stated in datasheet ?

11) Why don't you recommend Load capacitance less than 8pF in summary? assuming that load capacitance is CL1=CL2=CL and not the  load capacitance of the quartz stated in datasheet.

Best Regards,

d.

  • Hi!

    For crystal tuning, we recommend reaching out to the crystal vendor with the specific board and have the crystal tuned according to the datasheet requirements.

    SNLA290 appnote is just a reference document, but the best method recommended is to work with the specific crystal vendor.

    Thanks,
    Rahul

  • Hi 

    Thank you for the info.

    But these questions are related to SNLA290 AppNote, and i would like to clarify those questions that we have with the author of the AppNote.

    looing forward to the replay.

    Best Regards,

    d.

  • Hello,

    We dont have the active support for this app note as of now to share further data. The app note is supposed to be a general guideline only. Because of many variables in play : ESR variation of crystal from part to part, required rneg margin for oscillation to start (different for different crystals), parasitics of layout etc we have been recommending the customers to do the tuning of the crystal on the actual board with crystal vendors.

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    Regards,

    Vikram