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ISOW1432: Ferrite Selection and use...

Part Number: ISOW1432

Tool/software:

Hello, 

We are integrating the 1432 into a design near to a GPS module. We understand that the internal carrier of the 1432 is operating around 25MHz. We are balancing the tight confines within which this has to be implemented with careful layout and any other precautions we can muster to protect the GPS module from conducted interference. 

Given the stress that is given to layout and appropriate decoupling and use of ferrites on the power path we have two questions we would appreciate perspective/clarification about.

1. Would using higher impedance ferrites provide any measurable improvement on conducted signals on the power path? In other words, we can select more aggressive components there. If the recommended parts from the datasheet are sufficient we won't deviate. 

2. Is there any concern about conducted energy from the D & R pins of the part? Would adding ferrites on these signal paths demonstrate any benefit in this regard, or are these pins pretty clean? We would be operating at relatively low data rates so are not concerned with a small bit of signal/transition degradation adding these might cause.

What would be the advice of the community?

Much thanks!

  • The internal signal carrier is pretty well isolated; what you see on the power lines is switching noise (probably at a lower frequency) from the isolated DC/DC supply.

    1. This is a question about analog properties. Some switching noise will remain (and TI does not guarantee how much), and I do not know how sensitive your GPS module is. You will probably need to do experiments.

    2. The D pin is a high-impedance input. The R pin, like any digital output, gets connected to eigher GND or VCC, so switching noise on the power lines will also be visible here. In any case, it is a good idea to have a footprint at the R pin for a ferrite or a source termination resistor; you can still use 0 Ω instead.

  • Hello Ken, 

    As Clemens has said, most of the EMC concern would be from the DC/DC converter. We do not expect the noise to interfere with the rest of the application, however, the following app note outlines How to Meet CISPR 32 Radiated Emissions Limits With ISOW7741 which will apply to the ISOW1432 as well. 

    Ferrites beds will have the greatest effect when used on the supply pins. Since your design is EMC conscious, it would be a good idea to have the footprints for FBs in place and DNP or use a jumper until you decide that they are needed. 

    Best,
    Andrew

  • Hi Clemens & Andrew,

    Thanks for the insights and good thoughts. Footprints are cheap, so adding a couple seems prudent, agreed!

    Of course with all things "EMC" there is a lot of "it depends". So, the questions I was asking are just to get some gut feelings from a wider audience of experienced users of these parts... "experience in the field" so to speak, vs "datasheet answers", so appreciate both of your suggestions. 

    Of the questions, you guys both mostly focused on once facet. I'm curious if either of you guys (or others reading this) have thoughts on whether higher-impedance ferrites could help contain the switching noise. Logically I think yes, but perhaps there is a diminishing return or some other factor that my quick jump to that conclusion is overlooking. 

    If you have any additional insights you would be willing to share, would be great!

    Gratefully,

    ken

  • Hello Ken, 

    Higher impedance ferrite beads can help to limit switching noise. We have seen that choosing FBs that offer the highest impedance (> 1 kΩ) at the switching frequency and its harmonic frequencies make a big difference in emissions. 

  • Awesome, thanks guys!