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Looking for a Suitable Three Phase BLDC Permanent Magnet Motor Controller ?

Other Parts Discussed in Thread: DRV8301, TMS320F28069M, DRV8301-69M-KIT, TMDSCNCD28027F, LAUNCHXL-F28027F, BOOSTXL-DRV8301, MOTORWARE, CCSTUDIO, CONTROLSUITE

Hello,

Working on a Project for Large Industrial Ceiling Fan, that has sensor less BLDC Permanent Magnet Motor.

1). Want to find out which Motor Control is Best for Our Application ?  

Here I have Some Motor Data ;

Motor Type : Three Phase BLDC Permanent Magnet , Sensor less

Motor Power : 1.5 to 2 KW

RPM requirement : Need variable RPM from 0 to 150 RPM

Amp Requirement : Min 10 Amp to 35Amp Max Phase current

2). I was going through the TI Website and Came Across InstaSpin Controller.

Would like to Find if the following InstaSPIN controller is Suitable for our Application;

>> Three Phase BLDC & PMSM Motor Kit with DRV8301 and InstaSPIN-enabled Piccolo TMS320F28069M MCU

   (ACTIVE) DRV8301-69M-KIT

And If this Controller is Applicable to run the Motor, what other items do I require to connect the Motor and  Controller ?

Kindly Advise if you have any Suggestions,

I apologize  for my Ignorance in this matter, as I am not an Electrical Engineer.

Thanks

 

 

 

 

  • that kit is suitable for your current range. what is your voltage? At 35A the 2 KW suggests <60V?
    My guess is you are running on 48V?

    then yes, the DRV8301-69M-KIT would be the best fit.

    This uses the superset F28069M device with InstaSPIN-MOTION and InstaSPIN-FOC. You can try out all the different techniques/modes. In you real produce, if you feel InstaSPIN-FOC is enough, you will probably want to look at TMS320F28027FPTT as the controller since it's at a more suitable price point for this application.
  • Thanks for your advise Chris,

    We are going to use MeanWell RSP 750-27 Power Supply, It has 27 V DC Output and 0 to 27.8 Amp Output.

    As I mention we are trying test our BLDC permanent Magnet sensor less Motor with 10 ft to 18 ft Diameter Fan blade.

    As you said  DRV8301-69M-KIT is suitable for our Application, it has both instaspin Motion and Instaspin FOC capability.

    you have also mention to look  TMS320F28027FPTT as the controller for FOC , So does this Controller come with any KIT ??

    I have also Found InstaSpin BLDC Controller - DRV8301-HC-C2-KIT -- is this Kit is suitable for our application? Also mention What is the Difference between

    DRV8301-69M-KIT and  DRV8301-HC-C2-KIT

    We would like to go with ready to go Motor Controller Kit. Please advice best possible solution for our case.

    Kindly advice, how easy is to configure this controller and how to connect  MeanWell RSP 750-27 Power Supply with controller. 

    Thanks 

    Ashish 

  • Ashish Modasiya said:
    you have also mention to look  TMS320F28027FPTT as the controller for FOC , So does this Controller come with any KIT ??

    F28027F is available on a controlCARD TMDSCNCD28027F which can be used with the DRV8301 EVM you are purchasing.

    It is also available on a LaunchPad LAUNCHXL-F28027F which works not with EVMs, but with small BoosterPacks like BOOSTXL-DRV8301

    Ashish Modasiya said:

    What is the Difference between

    DRV8301-69M-KIT and  DRV8301-HC-C2-KIT

    same 3-ph inverter board, just comes with a different controlCARD which supports different SW techniques

    Ashish Modasiya said:
    I have also Found InstaSpin BLDC Controller - DRV8301-HC-C2-KIT -- is this Kit is suitable for our application?

    I recommend InstaSPIN-FOC for your application.

    Ashish Modasiya said:
    Kindly advice, how easy is to configure this controller and how to connect  MeanWell RSP 750-27 Power Supply with controller. 

    simply connect the DC power to the PWR/GND connectors on the EVM.

  • Thanks Chris, 

    so Instaspin FOC is good for our Application.

    From Purchasing Stand Point What should I Buy ?

    >>  DRV8301-69M-KIT

                OR 

    >> DRV8301-69M-KIT +  TMDSCNCD28027F ( Control Card) 

    If advise If I need to buy Anything..

    Thanks 

    Ashish

  • yes.
    I'd start with
    DRV8301-69M-KIT

    then if you decide to use 27F get TMDSCNCD28027F and an external XDS100v2 emulator...or just design your own board with 27F on the PCB.
  • Thanks Chris,
    I will start with DRV8301-69M-KIT
  • HI Chris, 

    I have Purchase the DRV8301-69M-KIT and I am going to try with our BLDC Motor.

    In order to connect the Motor with Controller, Is that any Steps or procedure that I can Follow to test Successfully .

    If you can forward me the link where I can find step by step procedure that would be great for me because I am a non electrical person. 

    Thanks,

    Ashish Modasiya

  • you can start with the InstaSPIN-FOC and -MOTION GUI
    www.ti.com/.../motorkitscncd69miso

    the download includes documentation on using the GUI.
    This documentation can also be found by installing MotorWare and then running MotorWare.exe and looking for the GUI.

    Note that this is basically a fixed project that is very old and doesn't have all the latest features. It also has a fixed PWM frequency of 20 KHz and 10 KHz current/estimator loops. You can't make changes to this GUI project, so after you have tried with the GUI you really need to move to using the MotorWare labs and our CCStudio development tools.

    In MotorWare.exe under resources you will find the step by step Project & Lab UG.
  • Hi Chris, 

    Thanks for your reply, we are trying DRV8301-69M-KIT to run our Three Phase BLDC Motor. 

    In Specification it says 40 Amp Continuous three phase current. So is it 40 Amp total Output, or 40 Amp on each of the thee phase Terminals A, B, C?

    and what is the in Rush current specification for each phase? 

    thanks for your reply 

     

  • 40A maximum continuous per phase
  • Ashish,

    Are you asking about the peak capability for each phase or the inrush current for when the board/chip is powered up?

    It is to difficult to spec a "peak" current for the variety of conditions the EVM might be under so it is up to the user to ensure the thermal ratings of the EVM and it's components are not violated.

  • Good Morning Chris,

    Thanks for your Reply, 

    I have a question about the DC Power that goes with the DRV8301-69M-KIT,

    What should be the minimum specification of the compatible DC Power Supply output voltage range and current?

    Thanks

    Ashish Modasiya

     

  • the voltage and current required depend more on your motor.
    the EVM is rated for 6-60Vdc and 40A peak and continuous phase current
  • Hi Chris, 

    How Can I connect 3 Hall Effect Sensor from Motor with  DRV 8301-69M Kit ? 

    What kind of Connect do I need to Use and Please specify the location on board to connect sensors??

    Thanks 

    Ashish Modasiya

  • per the HW schematics you can attach hall sensor wires on header J10.

    currently there isn't an InstaSPIN project that uses Hall sensors, but we are releasing one in the next release v16, scheduled for end of February.

  • Does this mean instaSPIN FOC GUI control will ignore the presence of Hall sensor inputs for motor control?
    Does it only support sensor-less control?
  • correct. InstaSPIN-FOC is sensorless.
    however as mentioned above, we are adding an example project that does use hall sensors for start-up and then transition to sensorless.

    if you have and intend to keep hall sensors I would recommend just using a standard BLDC Hall approach. Here are a couple in controlSUITE
    C:\ti\controlSUITE\development_kits\HVMotorCtrl+PfcKit_v2.1\HVBLDC_Sensored
    C:\ti\controlSUITE\development_kits\DRV8312-C2-KIT_v128\BLDC_Sensored