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DRV8305-Q1: DRV8305NEPHPRQ1

Part Number: DRV8305-Q1
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: DRV8305

Hi Adam,

We are currently using the DRV8305NEPHPRQ1  in BLDC automotive application. We need a response ASAP. Please respond in a timely manner.

It appears Pins 29-32 are damaged internally on the chip. FETs for both the High side and Low side of the MOSFET Bridge circuit that connect to the pins seemed to be OK when isolated tests are performed for this phase of the motor.

Are there are any electrical measurement checks we can do, from our end, on these pins to verify the pins are functioning properly as we measure low resistance for that phase of the leg of the 3 phase motor. We would like to send over the DRV8305 to TI to analyze. If there is anyone at TI we can reach out directly to that would be great.

These tests were performed when running a high temp soak test (at 150C) with the load changing in a step wise pattern for the Motor. Our unit is failing now and everything is pointing towards these pins even after the unit is power cycled at room temperature. We are looking at all the possibilities where the DRV8305 maybe malfunctioning or the pins 29-32 are failing. The DRV8305 is being used in all our current units.

We are speculating that the charge pump on the DRV8305 may have been damaged in the process as well. The datasheet specifies the caps as 0.047micro Farad. Could you specify what the tolerance range for the charge pumps caps are?

Kindly provide any supporting information or what this error seems to suggest.

Best regards

Mohammad

  • Hi Mohammad,

    Can you clarify the procedure that led up to you noticing the chip was damaged? Was the device driving a motor at 150C? is only one Phase damaged?

    Regards,

    Michael

  • Hi Michael,

    Sure, please let me know what specifically you would be interested in knowing? I will attempt to explain our procedure for the testing.

    This specific testing for the unit entails changing in the Supply voltage, Torque, and % change in Torque (from 90% to 10%, 10% to 90%, 20 to -20%, -20% to 20%) cycled over a 5 min duration at 150C ambient thru out. We record the temp from the EEPROM data. The Supply voltage is 27.6V, and 36V. Torque is 1.35Nm and 2.2Nm. This entire test is performed over a 2 hour duration. 

    During testing, at 150C ambient, with this unit, we recorded 172C on the EEPROM which resulted in the unit failing and not starting back up. Other units continue to run during testing. We are examining other reasons that maybe resulting in one of the "V" phases failing in the motor. Such as grease contamination getting cooked on the 29 -32 pins and causing a low resistance path for one of the phases. 

    However, we continue to suspect Pins 29-32 in the DRV8305 as the primary contender for the failure of this unit.

    Please shed some more light on the DRV8305 internal workings that maybe resulting in this. We may eventually reach out to TI for a failure analysis of the chip to better understand as we have seen a failure of the chip from TI in the past.

    Please provide ASAP.

    Thank you

    Mohammad

  • Correction the unit is soaked in 150C for 2 hours and then placed in room ambient temp.

  • Please include answers to all previous queries asked. Thank you.

  • Hi Mohammad,

    This could have been caused by an external short like the high side or low side FET failing. Can you check the continuity of the pins 29-32 to Vm and GND to see if there is a short. To understand how the drivers work you can look at section 7.3.5 of the datasheet.

    Regards,

    Michael 

  • Hi Michael,

    We have already measured pins 29-32  to Vm and GND and have seen a lower resistance than typical of the low side complementary FET. So we are not certain whether pins 29-32 on the DRV8305 are still functioning. Is there anything from an internal workings, from your experience and knowledge, that would cause those pins to malfunction or not work at all?

    It appears there may have been grease applied to the gear that got "cooked" on pins 29-32 that essentially caused a partial or full short. Once residual analysis was performed, there has been a correction. However, we are not certain this resolves the issues. For this reason we are re-assembling the unit and will try to re-run if it re-runs in typical manner.

    Thanks for your support.

    Mohammad

  • Hi Mohammad,

    What I suspect might have happened from your description so far is that the grease could have shorted something on our device for example PVDD and GLB. This caused internally to our devices the metal traces to melt and contact each other. I have not come across a scenario like this before. 

    swapping the unit and retesting the board while preventing grease to get on the board should fix the issue.

    Regards,

    Michael W.

  • Hi Michael,

    Shorting of the internal pins is what we suspected due to the grease as well. However, when we removed some of the "crusty cooked" grease on the pins and powered it up the fault went away. Now when we try to re-create the error with the same grease cooked up to 170C on the same pins the problem does not show itself.

    We are not sure what might have happened that is causing this inside of our actuator application. Any thoughts or experiences that could be shared here?

    We are looking at a couple of other scenarios as well.

    Please let us know of your thoughts.

    Thanks

    Mohammad

  • Hi Mohammad,

    I cant think of any reason this would be happening. Could you share your schematic and maybe pictures of the board? I will send you a friend request so that you can send them to me privately. Were you able to figure anything else out in your testing?

    Regards,

    Michael