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BQ24074: Design help

Genius 17355 points
Part Number: BQ24074
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: BQ24072,

Hi Experts,

Good day. I would like to ask confirmation about design help on your end for this case from client:

"1.) The concern in your response to case CS0746349 was that the device could break if the EN2 was tied to the input due to high voltage. But what if the EN2 pin is tied to the input using a pull-up resistor? Minimum voltage for a logic "1" is 1,4V according to datasheet. Let's say 2V to have some margin. With a standard 5V USB-charger as input, using a ~430kohm pull-up would create a 2V level on the EN2 pin together with the 285kohm pull-down, enough to set it high. With that setup, it would need an input voltage of ~17,5V before the voltage on the EN2 pin reaches the max limit of 7V. Would this setup be ok?

2.) Assuming the above is ok, and EN1 is pulled down. This would mean that with the USB-charger not attached to the circuit, EN2=low, EN1=low. If the USB-charger is connected, EN2=high, EN1=low. Would this cause any problems? Does the EN2/EN1 settings take action directly when changed?"

I understand the concern of the my customer here as they're not wanting to connect the EN2 pin to OUT since this would yield ~15uA current/power dissipation to internal pulldown (285kOhm) at 4.4Vout which is too high for low power application; thus they wanted it to be connected with lower signal to trigger HIGH logic. Datasheet shows input current source (HIGH) max of 10uA, but no minimum reading shared. Can you confirm if his turned voltage divider setup at EN2 pin would suffice? This voltage divider would give current flow ~3uA.

His 2nd question can be answered thru the graph shown at page 22 of its infosheet.

Thank you.

Regards
Archie A.

  • Hi Archie,

    With a standard 5V USB-charger as input, using a ~430kohm pull-up would create a 2V level on the EN2 pin together with the 285kohm pull-down, enough to set it high

    I went ahead and test this in the lab. This will work fine. 

    With that setup, it would need an input voltage of ~17,5V before the voltage on the EN2 pin reaches the max limit of 7V.

    I understand the customer is looking at an extreme case here but it'd be good to know if the customer is planning to have the input at 17.5V because the recommended operating range for the BQ24072 is 4.35V to 6.4V.

    ssuming the above is ok, and EN1 is pulled down. This would mean that with the USB-charger not attached to the circuit, EN2=low, EN1=low. If the USB-charger is connected, EN2=high, EN1=low. Would this cause any problems? Does the EN2/EN1 settings take action directly when changed?"

    If the USB is the only power on the device, the state of the EN2 and EN1 pins will both be low that is correct. The devices EN states are checked at startup so these should be fine. Changing the state of the EN pins should also be find during operation as well and the device will adjust accordingly. 

    Best Regards,

    Anthony Pham

  • Hi Anthony,

    Thanks for your response.

    Customer is using BQ24074, and it has recommended operating Vin up to 10.2V.

    D/S tells about Vin input and operating voltage range, those values have different ranges, can you explain us here what's their difference?

    Also, putting such pullup resistor (430kOhm) together with internal pulldown (285kOhm), this voltage divider still driver the state of EN pin, correct?

    Thank you.

    Regards,
    Archie A.

  • Hi Archie,

    Ah apologies, I read the wrong device. 

    As all the devices are spins of  the BQ24072, the BQ24074 was a device targeted with a higher OVP threshold and so the operating range for the input voltage is higher. 

    Also, putting such pullup resistor (430kOhm) together with internal pulldown (285kOhm), this voltage divider still driver the state of EN pin, correct?

    Yes, as mentioned previously I went ahead and tested this in the lab and it works fine. As long as the EN pin sees the voltage above the logic high threshold, this will work.

    Best Regards,

    Anthony Pham