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BQ27541: Conditions for acquiring log data with GPCCHEM tool

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Part Number: BQ27541
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Hi,

Start Guide for BQ Products

https://www.ti.com/lit/an/sluaa98/sluaa98.pdf

I checked for a similar Chemistry ID with the GPCCHEM tool, but couldn't find any information about the 4.2V charge.

As far as I can see from the above document, I could not find the conditions (charge condition, discharge condition) for acquiring log data with GPCCHEM tool. Is there a description somewhere?

Thanks,

Koki

  • Hello Koki,

    If you have not already done so, first update the chemistry database in bqStudio https://www.ti.com/tool/GASGAUGECHEM-SW

    This will have the latest updates.

    Not sure what the question is: are you asking for the procedure to generate logs for submission to GPCCHEM tool?

  • Hi, Shirish

    I want to know the flow for getting a Chemistry ID. Are the steps 1 to 4 below correct?

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    1. Update Chemistry Database in BQ STUDIO. (What you answered)

    2. Check if there is a similar Chemistry ID in BQSTUDIO.

    3. If no model in the table matches the cell in Step 2, create a log based on the GPCCHEM tool and obtain a GPCCHEM report.Running the GPCCHEM test is the best method to determine a good chemistry ID for the gas gauge.

    4.If no appropriate ID exists in step 3, post the GPCCHEM log and my gauge setup to E2E.

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    Not sure what the question is: are you asking for the procedure to generate logs for submission to GPCCHEM tool?

    Yes. In addition, do you have any information about the conditions (charge and discharge conditions, etc.) for acquiring log data with the GPCCHEM tool in step 3?

    Thanks,

    Koki

  • Hello Koki,

    The steps are correct.

    The process for GPCCHEM tool logging are at https://www.ti.com/tool/GPCCHEM (Step 1)

    Section 3 has the steps for different battery types.  https://www.ti.com/lit/an/slva725a/slva725a.pdf

  • Hi, Shirish

    The following technical document on how to create a Golden Image, Is there a bqStudio version?

    https://www.ti.com/lit/an/slua544/slua544.pdf

    Thanks,

    Koki

  • Hello Koki,

    I don't think there is a document for learning cycle which uses bqStudio screenshots. bqStudio supports all the function mentioned in that document for bq27541-V200 and bq27541-G1

    Each function opens in a separate tab.

    This newer document which applies to all gauges and provides links will be useful to understand the steps without specific reference to the tool www.ti.com/.../sluaa98.pdf

  • Hi, Shirish

    Thank you for your answer.

    1. Update Chemistry Database in BQ STUDIO. (What you answered)

    2. Check if there is a similar Chemistry ID in BQSTUDIO.

    From 1 and 2, there was no Chemistry ID similar to BQ STUDIO.

    3. If no model in the table matches the cell in Step 2, create a log based on the GPCCHEM tool and obtain a GPCCHEM report.Running the GPCCHEM test is the best method to determine a good chemistry ID for the gas gauge.

    Is my perception below correct?
    Acquire log data according to "Simple Guide to Chemical ID Selection Tool (GPC)" and create the following two files.
    ・ Config.txt
    ・ Roomtemp_rel_dis_rel.csv

    Should I send the above two files to you?

    I think that the log is acquired using the log function of bqStudio, but is it okay to create log data separately using a data logger or charge / discharge tester?

    https://www.ti.com/lit/an/slva725a/slva725a.pdf

    4.If no appropriate ID exists in step 3, post the GPCCHEM log and my gauge setup to E2E.

    Do you agree with the recognition that I will get the data according to the "Simple Guide to CEDV Data Collection for Gauging Parameter Calculator (GPC)"?

    https://www.ti.com/lit/ug/sluub45b/sluub45b.pdf

    Thanks,

    Koki

  • Hello Koki,

    Details for collecting log files are here https://www.ti.com/tool/GPCCHEM

    You will need to zip up the 2 files and then upload it on this page. You will get the report via email.

    You can post the report on e2e is there is no good match.

    Make sure to use bare cells(no protector) for generating the log

  • Hi, Shirish

    Thank you for your answer.

    Make sure to use bare cells(no protector) for generating the log
    is it okay to create log data separately using a data logger or charge / discharge tester?

    What does "bare cells" mean?
    I'm wondering if it's okay to create separate log data using a data logger

    Thanks,

    Koki

  • Hello Koki,

    You can use any data logger or tester to create the log files.

    Bare cells means that there should be no electronics connected to it except the sense inputs for voltage. Voltages must be measured at cell terminals. 

  • Hi, Shirish

    Thank you for your answer.

    We have completed the Chemistry ID acquisition. Next, we are creating a Golden Image,and I have a question about Ra Table.

    Is it possible to create an Ra Table at different temperatures? The temperature change assumes several patterns from low temperature to high temperature.

    There is no mention of temperature in the materials provided by TI. I would like to know if it is possible to perform the Learning Cycle multiple times at different temperatures.

    Thanks,

    Koki

  • Hello Koki,

    If you intend to use the gauge over a wide temperature range, then you will need to do one more step related to chemistry. See GPCRB tool. This will tweak the temperature parameters.

  • Hi, Shirish

    The method you have guided us (For very low temperature operations, typically below 5C) is when I need to operate at low temperatures, right? I am wondering if I can make a Ra Table by measuring several patterns from low temperature to high temperature.

    Thanks,

    Koki

  • Hello Koki,

    Ra tables have some amount of temperature compensation which will not change with cycling.

    There is a another tool https://www.ti.com/tool/GPCRA0 that will help if you do not want operation at very low temperatures.