I have one board on a new design misbehaving with both Stat1 and Stat2 lights on. What does it mean if I have both Stat1 and Stat2 lights on at the same time?
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I have one board on a new design misbehaving with both Stat1 and Stat2 lights on. What does it mean if I have both Stat1 and Stat2 lights on at the same time?
Hello,
This is an invalid condition. Can you please send your schematic?
Regards,
Mike Emanuel
It "may" be due to a reverse polarity condition on our charger input, but I have not validated that, it is just a theory from the engineer who broke this board. He also recently broke another which now has the same symptoms.
We have a few reworks that aren't shown on this schematic, namely we have jumpered across Q3 and Q5 to make one return path. I will grab a few critical test point measurements on a good and bad board and post them.
The schematic is in the post above. Unfortunately, my board got a "thermal event" while working on it yesterday while I was working on it. I think I accidentally shorted pins 19 and 20 while probing and it burned up Q8 and Q9. I have another board exhibiting the same behavior and will try again, more carefully, on Tuesday.
Thanks,
Ben
Keep me posted!
Can you please share the schematic as a normal download? I am having trouble viewing it.
Sorry for the delay, I took a vacation :) I'm not sure how to attach the schematic any other way. If you download the PDF locally, then open it, your native PDF viewer will work better. I'm not sure why the online viewer makes it so blurry. Is there another way of uploading a file that I can't figure out? In the insert tab below it just allows me to put in a picture. Here is another link to the schematic in a zip file, that might be easier. drive.google.com/.../view
I see your issue now, you must request access for the file. Let me see if I can host the files elsewhere.
Try this one: drive.google.com/.../view
I took measurements of all the pins we are using in our schematic at the battery charger, I've attached a spreadsheet. I've measured a good board and bad board with and without the charger connected. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10LzxbBQfMt0a7lrvTt3cdjs37NUdYzYC/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=111065868614272902578&rtpof=true&sd=true
Ben,
We do not use google docs for my group. Here are the instructions:
1. Click "Insert"
2. Click "Image/video/file"
3. Click "Upload"
4. Click "Ok"
I have uploaded the datasheet as an example.
Regards,
Mike Emanuel
Hello Ben,
In your first "good board, no charge power" your battery voltage his higher than VCC, so you are in SLEEP mode. ACDRV/ is pulled to VCC to keep the ACFET off.
In your second "bad bd/no charge pwr" you are likely again in SLEEP mode because your battery voltage is higher than VCC.
In your third "goodbd, charge pwr" you have a valid battery and input for charging so charging happens.
What is the setup for "bad bd/ with charge"?
I see no glaring issues with the schematic.
Regards,
Mike Emanuel
the issue with the second column, "bad bd/no charge pwr", is that the LED's indicate the invalid state, with stat1 and stat2 lights both on, so there is something wrong with that column more than just it being in sleep mode.
The setup for "bad bd/ with charge" is a board in the invalid state, with stat1 and stat2 on, as well as 24V applied to the charge input.
Hello Ben,
After looking at it again, I think you need to increase the pullup resistors for the PG, STAT1, and STAT2 pins. We recommend 10 kOhm; having too much current through these pins could cause damage.
After making the above change, I think we need to perform an ABA swap test. Take a good unit off of a good board and a bad unit off of a bad board. Replace the good unit on the bad board and the bad unit on the good board. Record the result and let me know.
Regards,
Mike Emanuel
Mike,
What is the indication state if the device goes into undercurrent protection mode described in 10.2.1.2.1. Can I test this any way besides just wiring up the sense resistor and looking for the voltage drop?
I'm looking into this because we have a BOM error on our build, where we placed a .005 ohm sensor resistor instead of a .01 ohm sense resistor.
Thanks,
Ben
"The BQ2461x has cycle-by-cycle charge undercurrent protection (UCP) by monitoring the charging-current sensing resistor to prevent negative inductor current. The typical UCP threshold is 5-mV falling edge corresponding to 0.5-A falling edge for a 10-mΩ charging-current sensing resistor."
Hi Ben,
Section 9.3.12 also provides more information: "If the SRP-SRN voltage decreases below 5 mV (the charger is also forced into nonsynchronous mode when the average SRP-SRN voltage is lower than 1.25 mV), the low-side FET is turned off for the remainder of the switching cycle to prevent negative inductor current. During DCM, the low-side FET only turns on for around 80 ns when the bootstrap capacitor voltage drops below 4.2 V to provide refresh charge for the bootstrap capacitor. This is important to prevent negative inductor current from causing a boost effect in which the input voltage increases, as power is transferred from the battery to the input capacitors and leads to an overvoltage stress on the VCC node and potentially causes damage to the system."
Having a lower sense resistor will increase the programmed charge current. It will also increase the UCP threshold to 1 A.
Regards,
Mike Emanuel