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TPS7H1101-SP: CSR values at non-datasheet conditions

Part Number: TPS7H1101-SP


Hello team - 

We are interested with the CSR value, if we are using this device with different input/output voltage, and different load current from what the datasheet tested, would this number still valid? Is the CSR number only apply to the steady state condition or does it apply to all conditions including when the device is ramping up (during power on)? Do you have any data to show the variation of this number due to the temperature?

 

 Thanks!

  • Alex,

    The CSR value is the relationship between current through pass element and current mirrors.  The CSR should remain valid across ROC range.  I am confirming this with the designer, just to be sure.

    A couple caveats.

    The CSR is characterized with currents above 500mA.  When operating with lower currents, the keep alive biasing required becomes a more significant component of the Ics or Ipcl currents.  Thus, more error is present in this range. 

    Figure 8-3 shows the temperature dependence on the CSR value, based on the load to Ipcl current.

    Figure 8-7 is similar, but using Ics vs load.

    During power up, if internal circuits are not properly biased up, then it is uncertain on validity of the CSR values.

    It may be able to give additional help if I understood the use case intended.

    Additionally, I would like to point out that there is a design calculator for the TPS7H1101A that is available.

    www.ti.com/.../TPS7H1101A-CALC

    A slightly updated version will be posted next week.  The new version will not have any technical changes, just additional comments and summary information.

    An app note to go with this is nearing completion, and should be published in a couple weeks.

    Regards,

    Wade

  • Thank you Wade!  In the customer application, the load current is below 150mA, and we set the Rpcl to 100k (per equation provided by datasheet, it is roughly around 328mA), using CSR of 47500, and Rcs of 10k to ground. What is the percentage error expectation while using for lower current application? Also, would you confirm the value of CSR they should be using?

  • Collin,

    I am attempting to get access to the char data that drove the updated CSR values in 2019.  Please give me a few days to locate and review.

    I suspect that having a current limit under 500mA with any degree of accuracy will require some form of calibration on each system. 

    Thanks

    Wade

  • Collin,

    I was able to look at more of the data that drove the update to CSR testing and updates to the data sheet at the end of 2019.

    The primary issue for setting an accurate Ilim with low currents is the variability of the Ioffset due to process, temp and voltage.   The equations for the most part take this into account, but errors get more significant with lower Ipcl current.   Thus, if it is necessary to utilize a current limit that needs to be more precise, or especially with less than 500mA, it would be advised to calibrate/characterize current limit behavior under those conditions and set the Rpcl value accordingly.

    Unfortunately, there is not enough data to extract out the Ioffset contribution at this time to bound a percentage error.   This is an effort that I am going to investigate for the future to see if more data can be extracted to help bound the Ilim/Rpcl/CSR relationship at lower currents.

    Let me know if this resolves your questions.

    Regards,

    Wade