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TPS65313-Q1: Hercules library support

Part Number: TPS65313-Q1
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TPS65381A-Q1, TPS65381-Q1

Hello!

I plan to use a Hecules MCU for a functional safety application.

At the same time, I am looking for a PMIC that is supported in your VDE approved software packages.

I have found that TPS65313-Q1 is the best fit in the application.

Is this device TPS65313-Q1 now also included in the Hecules safety libraries?

If not, which alternative device do you propose?

I have looked at the TPS65381AQDAPRQ1 but to make it work in the application I need to add an extra LDO on the pre reg voltage.

This is OK electrically but causes more complications with regard to the MTTFd caluations.

The LDO TLV766-Q1 does not support the same type of functional safety data as provided in the FMEDA for either the Hercules MCU or any of the PMICs.

How do I get the same reference in my calculations if I include an IC that does not have an FMEDA?

The TI video education and SLOA294 – JUNE 2020 gives some insight to the TI process but several questions arises. The values defined by either IEC TR 62380 or SN29500 does not represent my application. Why is this important? The answer is that the use-case has a major effect on the FIT values.

The FIT value in FFS379A – SEPTEMBER 2022 – REVISED MARCH 2023 defined by IEC TR 62380 is set to an automotive use-case with very low active operating time, while the SN29500 is based on another use-case.

On top of this we have the methods by themselves. According to SLOA294 – JUNE 2020 , SN29500 gives a too optimistic value as compared to IEC TR 62380.

Lastly, we also have the so-called technology FIT which gives an even more optimistic FIT value.

To get alinement it would be very good to have a solution based on two IC's (MCU and PMIC) and discreate components.

Please advice.

Best regards Anders 

  • Hi Anders,

    I am looking into this. In the meantime could you elaborate more on your power needs for the PMIC for me to better find you an alternative if that is necessary.

    best regards,

    Niko

  • Hi Nico!

    Attached  an overall table

    Rail

    Current consumption

    Comments

    5.0V

    250mA

    CAN and other peripheral

    5.0V

    6mA

    ADC ref

    5.0V

    2x 140mA = 280mA

    2x Sensor supply

    3.3V

    15mA

    I/O, FRAM, Keyboard and hall sensor

    1.2V

    700mA

    700mA max for BIST, 440mA operation

    Table configured for the TPS65313-Q1

    Configuring the system in the following way.

    Input requirement 12V-36V

    Rail

    Current consumption

    TPS65313-Q1

    Comments

    3.3V (Wide-Vin Buck)

    15mA

    Total 3100mA, remaining 1870mA (3100-700-530)

    I/O, FRAM, Keyboard and hall sensor

    1.2V

    700mA

    2000mA , Controller with ext. FET

    700mA max for BIST, 440mA operation

    5.0V

    250mA+2x 140mA=530mA

    600mA

    CAN and other peripheral, 2x Sensor supply

     Another voltage reference is needed powered from the battery.

    Rail

    Current consumption

    TBD

    Comments

    5.0V

    6mA

    No dedicated ADC ref out, Supply 12V-36V

    ADC ref +5V

    Using

    TPS65381AQDAPRQ1

    Power distribution

    Rail

    Current consumption

    TPS65381A-Q

    Comments

    5.0V

    250mA

    300mA

    CAN and other peripheral

    5.0V

    2x 140mA = 280mA

    1x 100mA

    2x Sensor supply

    3.3V

    15mA

    300mA

    I/O, FRAM, Keyboard and hall sensor

    1.2V

    700mA

    Controller with ext. FET

    700mA max for BIST, 440mA operation

    5V supply is not enough but an extra LDO for example TLV766-Q1 on the pre reg will do it.

    However then we come in to the MTTFd calculation questions. 

    Rail

    Current consumption

    TBD

    Comments

    5.0V

    6mA

    No dedicated ADC ref out

    ADC ref

  • Hi Anders,

    To me it seems like TPS65381AQDAPRQ1 could actually be a better option so I am looping in the expert on those devices. I am thinking that first we decide the PMIC used and then we take a look at the calculation issue.

    Best regards,

    Niko Alatalo  

  • Hi Anders,

    Regarding the software support for Hercules. TPS65381A-Q1 was the original combo PMIC for Hercules and is the only PMIC with software support in the Hercules/570 diagnostic software library. Link to library: https://www.ti.com/tool/SAFETI_DIAG_LIB

    best regards,

    Niko Alatalo

  • Hi Niko!

    Thanks for the clarification.

    When I click on the link called "supported products & hardware" on the web page that you pointed me too, I do not see any information about the PMICs.

    Do I need to install the software package to learn about the PMIC's?

    However, now that you have confirmed, we need to consider the the safety calculations for the using the  TPS65381AQDAPRQ1  in combination with TLV766-Q1.

    The output on the 5V of the TPS65381AQDAPRQ1 is not enough as shown in the tables previously. My idea is to use a TLV766-Q1 on the pre- reg to solv the power issue. However, then I come in to calculation difficulites. 

  • Hi Anders,

    On that page under "Description & Features" there is a mention "Device driver support for TPS65381-Q1 PMIC for the Hercules MCU". For more information you have to download and install the library. Included is TPS65381 PMIC Driver Documentation. 

    I am still waiting for an expert to get back to me on the TPS65381A  for feedback so we can't say how the calculations should be done just yet.

    Best regards,

    Niko

  • Hi,

    We are working to resolve this through email so I am closing this thread.

    regards,

    Niko