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TPS25946: Problem with blocking TPS25946

Part Number: TPS25946

I would like some help and analysis of an existing problem occurring in the TPS25946xx family of circuits.

In some issues, the documentation does not provide specific information on how the circuit works.
We have conducted tests, which show that the circuits (regardless of the version) lock when the overcurrent protection is triggered, and the only way to turn them off is to disconnect the power supply to the circuit. In addition, the TPS system that was loaded with a low-power brush motor (max 10W) also locks ("freezes").
The described problem also applies when the output of the TPS circuit was not loaded in any way or another type of load was connected to the output of the circuit.

Test conditions:

The TPS25946 circuit laden with a low-power brush motor (max 10W), when a signal is applied to the EN/UVLO pin, it turns on the load and at this point the circuit is locked preventing it from turning off via the EN/UVLO pin, the Auto-Retry function also does not work, and the motor still runs.
Configuration of the current protection threshold in the circuit: about 6A.
Power supply (BAT+) 5V - 17V

Tests were carried out on TPS259460A, TPS259460L, and TPS259461A circuits.

Diagram of the circuit under test:

Is it possible to fully functionally control the switching on and off of the circuit via the EN/UVLO pin?

Is the phenomenon of the circuit locking (freezing) in the working (output on) state correct?

Subsequent tests have shown that the circuits without the Citimer capacitor attached work correctly and do not lock up. Is there a limitation on the minimum/maximum value of the Citimer capacitor?

According to the documentation, the circuit on internal locking should turn off:

In our test case, the circuit locks up ( freezes) every time and does not turn off the output of the circuit

  • Hi Pawel,

    Thanks for reaching out! I will get back by tomorrow EOD on this.

    Regards

    Kunal Goel

  • Hi Pawel,

    Thanks for reaching out.

    1. Here is the problem with large CITIMER:

    2. You mean that after you do overload test, device is not turning off by making EN low?

    3. You are doing overload test by a motor as a load?

    Regards

    Kunal Goel

  • Hi Kunal,
    Thank you for reply!

    2. Yes, after overload, the device is blocked - TPS ignores EN signal. At the output provides high voltage (I mean 12V)

    3. Yes, I have used DC motor as a load - after overload, TPS has been blocked.

    Additionaly I have made overload by simple shortcircuit (wire) - the same effect, TPS is blocked.

    I have one more question - Can I use TPS25946 for driving DC brushed motor?

    Regards

    Paweł Zięba

  • Hi Pawel,

    TPS25946 can be used to drive DC motor brushed motor. 

    1. To understand what is happening we need to look at waveforms. Please probe VIN, VOUT, ITIMER , Input current at zoomed in and zoomed out scales during overcurrent test.  

    2. Is VOUT going -ve?

    3. If you retry by adding more cap at input does it solve the issue?

    Regards

    Kunal Goel

  • Hi Kunal,

    1.

    I have made the test and you can check the results below:

    *Oscilloscope channels are descripted on first screenshot

    *In every test the TPS was enabled for 200-250ms (as you can see in the first test)

    *Tests was made on circuit I have sent in first post. (without additional capacitor at input)

    *The circuit was powered by 12V (li-po battery)

    a) Test without load 

    Here you can see whole waveforms
    Red triangle shows moment of enable the TPS (EN is high)
    Green triangle shows moment of disable the TPS (EN is low)
    Moment of enable - zoomed in
    Moment od disable TPS - zoomed in

    b) Test with shortcircuit as load

    Red triangle - output is schortcircuited
    Green triangle - output is open (no load)
    Here you can see, that the output is still at high level (12V), despite the shortcircuit disappeared. TPS was blocked.
    Red triangle moment - zoomed in
    Red triangle moment - better zoom
    Green triangle moment - here TPS is blocked

    c) Test with DC motor as load

    Red triangle - DC motor start
    Green triangle - output is open (no load)
    Red triangle moment - zoomed in
    Red triangle moment - better zoom

    Green triangle moment - zoomed in
    Blocking phenomenon is also present in the TPS25946EVM Evaluation Board
    2.
    Is VOUT going -ve?

    Do you mean, that output is 0V after overload?   Answer: When TPS is blocked, the output is 12V and i can't turn it off.

    3.

    Unfortunately I don't have test with additional capacitor yet. I will make that test as soon as I can and then I'll send results.

    Regards

    Paweł Zięba

  • I have made test with additional Input_Capacitor and here are my conclusions:



    Cin=1uF

    TPS is still blocking with shortcircuit or DC motor as a load.

    Shortcircuit as a load:

    DC motor as a load:

    Cin=10uF

    TPS is blocking only with DC motor as a load. TPS works correctly with shortcircuit.

    Shortcircuit as a load:

    DC motor as a load:

    Cin=22uF

    TPS is blocking only with DC motor as a load. TPS works correctly with shortcircuit.

    Shortcircuit as a load:

    DC motor as a load:

    Input capacitor solved the problem with blocking during shortcircuit, but still it doesn't work when DC motor is connected.

    Regards

    Paweł Zięba