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TPS1641: TPS1641 and LM7310 behavior with floating VIN

Part Number: TPS1641
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TPS2662, TPS2660, TPS25961

Dear all,

I would like to confirm my understanding of Abs. max ratings and behaviour of two components:
1) TPS16412
2) LM731000


The situation is as follows,

TPS16412


 - pins VCC and IN floating (connected to GND via ~1M resistance)
 - pin GND connected to system GND
 - positive or negative voltage at OUT pin

 Q1: The part will withstand w/o damage  -1V < Voltage @ OUT < 42V (section 7.1 of the DS) even when VCC and IN floating, correct?
 Q2: The body diode of the internal FET will, however, conduct if VOUT is positive and thus the voltage at IN pin will be (VOUT - "body diode drop"), correct?
 Q3: Reverse current under these circumstances will sort of 'back-power the device', correct?


LM731000


 - IN floating
 - pin GND connected to system GND
 - positive or negative voltage at OUT

 Q4: The part will withstand w/o damage  -0.3V < Voltage @ OUT < 21V (section 6.1 of the DS, full temp range), correct?
 Q5: Due to the internal B2B mosfets, the voltage @ OUT won't be present at IN pin, correct?


The motivation here is that these devices should protect both the power supply and the load. The power supply needs to be turned off to conserve power and thus the IN pins will not always be powered up. At the same time there is a chance that a user will connect a power supply (at the load side) instead of the load and thus a non-zero voltage might appear at the OUT pins.

Feel free to make a suggestion about a part with current limit, auto-retry and reverse current blocking when not powered up (VIN 3V-15V, Ilim 0.15-0.2 A, ideally internal FETs but external possible too).

Thank you

  • Hi Matt,

    I will get back by tomorrow EOD.

    Regards

    Kunal Goel

  • Hi Matt,

    Please see my response inline:

    TPS1641

    Q1: The part will withstand w/o damage  -1V < Voltage @ OUT < 42V (section 7.1 of the DS) even when VCC and IN floating, correct?

    Yes. But for VOUT +ve , input cap will charge and VIN will go up through body diode but current through body diode should not be large. 


     Q2: The body diode of the internal FET will, however, conduct if VOUT is positive and thus the voltage at IN pin will be (VOUT - "body diode drop"), correct? YES


     Q3: Reverse current under these circumstances will sort of 'back-power the device', correct? Yes

    LM73100

     Q4: The part will withstand w/o damage  -0.3V < Voltage @ OUT < 21V (section 6.1 of the DS, full temp range), correct? Yes
     Q5: Due to the internal B2B mosfets, the voltage @ OUT won't be present at IN pin, correct? Yes

    You can check TPS2660,TPS2662.

    Regards

    Kunal Goel

  • Hi Kunal,

    thank you very much for the answers.

    Thank you for suggesting TPS266x, I have already seen then. Unfortunately, VIN-min is 4.2V and we need to go down to ~3.4V. I think I checked all the efuse portfolio with reverse current blocking, I seem to either find a part with good input voltage range but too large current limit (i.e. our 0.2A limit being way too low) or a good current limit range but min input voltage range above our minimum (just like TPS266x) :). I hoped I just overlooked something.

    TPS1641x and TPS25961 have good input voltage range and current limit range but don't offer reverse current blocking. I'm might get away with using either a diode or LM73100.

    Kind regards,

    Matt