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LM7310: Inquiry when using 21.6~26.4 V, 0.5 A for this product.

Part Number: LM7310
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: LM74502, TPS2661, TPS2662

Tool/software:

Hello.

I was trying to select this product because it seemed to be the best among switching ICs in terms of size and unit price,

but it is outside the recommended Operating Conditions (2.7~23 V, ~ 5.5 A) and is suitable for the Absolute Maximum Ratings (28 V Max., 5.5 A Max.).

I tried to set UVLO at 20.4 V (85 % of 24 V) and OVP at 26.4 V (110 % of 24 V), but can't I use industrial 24 V for this product?

S.Y.Lee

  • Hi S.Y. Lee,

    This product is not intended for the industrial applications hence the maximum voltage rating is less. Can you share some of your recommendations so that based on them, I will recommend you some other parts. For 24V application, we will have to go with eFuse (similar to load switches but more protection features)  

    Since you were considering this part, I will recommend similar parts (parts with reverse current blocking). Here is a list. https://www.ti.com/power-management/power-switches/efuse-hotswap-controllers/products.html#339=Internal&1498=Catalog&238max=24%3B100&

    TPS26xx will provide reverse current blocking and can handle your required voltage. 

    Best Regards,
    Arush 

  • Thank you for reply.

    The purpose is to block the unstable input of the 24 V, 0.2 A level power applied to the controller.
    Voltage range: 20~26 V
    Function: UVLO, OVP
    Priority: 1. Unit price, 2. Size, 3. Temperature

    Currently, I'm designing the circuit by selecting LM74502 as the second best, but a little dissatisfied that it is not small and the unit price is not cheap if an external FET is included.
    The TPS2662 series, which is more expensive than this LM74502+FET, was the third priority, and the TPS2661 series has high internal resistance and is judged to be unsuitable for power supply. (I'm working with LM74502, but still reviewing whether TPS2662 is better due to its suitability for 24 V applications.)

    If there is a cheaper or better product for implementing UVLO and OVP, please recommend it.

    S.Y.Lee

  • Hi S.Y.Lee,

    I am adding my colleague who is more handles these higher voltage eFuses. I am not sure if we have any such part with this >24V part with RCB and is very cheap.

    Can you tell me the end application. This will help in determining the future part definition. 

    Best Regards,
    Arush

  • Hello SY Lee,

    TPS2662 is a better option to go for as per your requirement for 24V,0.2A with reverse current blocking.

    How much minimum reverse current blocking you are expecting?

    Coming to pricing, please send me a mail regarding number of units requirement and your expected pricing. I will forward the concerned marketing team.

    Thanks

    Amrit 

  • Since I judged that RCP would not be necessary in the end, I think I'll use the existing LM74502, which prioritizes unit price.

    Since the output stages are all separated into isolated DC/DC CONV and the circuit is based on the premise that overvoltage and reverse voltage are protected with SPD+PPTC+TVS, I think only OVP+UVLO is sufficient. However, the order is ambiguous as to whether the blocking should be done after the CM filter+DM filter or before it.

    S.Y.Lee

  • If the DC/DC CONV, which is the output part on the power side, does not malfunction, I think there will be almost no reverse current because the capacity on the capacitor side is not large. Since the current consumption is also not large, reverse current was not considered during the design.

    Currently, there are about 10 units, and it is being developed at a level where it is not possible to predict how many units will be produced after that. If I am really lucky and produce enough units to be able to purchase in bulk, I will have to contact you separately.

    When I first started developing, I only looked at the unit price listed on the site and made decisions, but I will review TPS2662 again when creating the BOM.

    S.Y.Lee

  • Hello SY LEE,

    You can evaluate the circuit if there is any scenario of reverse current. It would better to put the reverse current protection before the filter.

    DC-DC converters are prone to reverse current. Please evaluate your DC-DC converter. 

    Thank you for considering TPS2662 for your future use.

    Thanks 

    Amrit 

  • Hello.

    My reply is a bit late.
    Based on the product that converts from 24 V to 5 V,
    I think it means 'Reflected Ripple Current'. Is that right? The current product is 15 mA typ. and there is also a 7.5 mA typ. as an alternative, but if I search, see that there are more products that do not have it written.

    S.Y.Lee

  • Hello Lee,

    Yes, you are correct. 

  • I have an additional inquiry.

    If it is an LM74502 product, it does not have a reverse current blocking function, so it is irrelevant.

    In the case of TPS2662, the threshold for reverse protection comparator, which is the reverse current blocking standard, is 15 mV, so I is expected to be I = 0.478/0.015 = 31.3 mA. In this case, can I assume that the blocking operation will not occur forever due to the Reflected Ripple Current generated in the DC-DC CONV?

    S.Y.Lee

  • Hello SYLee

    Device will block the reverse current when it's more than 31.3 mA.

  • Finally, for low-power products like mine, which are less than 28 V, 5 W, and require only two functions, OVP and UVLO, and low power consumption (no need for current limiting and reverse current less than 30 mA), LM74502+FET is considered a more advantageous product based on the unit price of the FET. The only disadvantage is the space issue.

    LM74502: OVP, UVLO, RPP
    A = 8.41 mm^2
    $1.415 @ 1 pc, $0.573 @ 1k pcs

    Example) DMN3061SVT: R = 60+60 mΩ Max (P_loss = 4.8 mW)
    A = 8.40 mm^2 (I/O direction selectable - pin assignment according to wiring convenience)
    $0.340 @ 1 pc, $0.097 @ 1k pcs (in Mouser)

    TPS26620: OVP, UVLO, RPP, CL(Low Effectiveness), ICL(Low Effectiveness), RCP(No Action)
    R = 478 mΩ (P_loss = 19.12 mW), A = 9.00 mm^2 (I/O pins are fixed - there are constraints on placement according to power flow )
    $2.016 @ 1 pc, $0.900 @ 1k pcs

    I would go with LM74502 if I have the space for the design, or TPS2662 if I don't.

    S.Y.Lee