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Connection of CE, Mode and ISET2 pins on BQ24070

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Hi

I have a question regarding how to connect the CE, Mode and ISET2 inputs on the BQ24070 in the most correct and safe way, that I will very much appreciate your opinion about.

In my application all these inputs (CE, Mode and ISET2) should be permanently connected to logic high.
Originally I thought of connecting them all to the Vref pin (at 3.3V). However, the datasheet says the Vref output is only active when a voltage is present on the IN pin (from an AC-adapter or USB source), but that Vref is not active when a battery (connected to the BAT pin) is the only power source. If this is correctly understood, it will not be possible to use Vref as a logic high voltage source for the Mode and ISET2 inputs, since Vref will fall to 0V (or perhaps float) when no AC-adapter is connected. One may argue that it doens't matter what the states of Mode and ISET2 are when no AC-adapter is connected, since these signals are only used when an adapter is present and the battery is being charged, but I prefer not having the inputs float or be wrongly defined at any time (the BQ24070 quiescent current could perhaps also be increased if the inputs floats around ½Vcc where both the input transistors is turned on).

Instead I was thinking of connecting CE, Mode and ISET2 to the output of an 2.8V linear regulator (which is already used as supply for a microcontroller) for obtaining the logic high voltages. The regulator gets it's supply voltage from the OUT pin on BQ24070 (i.e. BQ24070 OUT is connected to the regulator input).
However, I'm somewhat unsure if this method will work properly in case no battery is connected, and only an AC-adapter is used. When the adapter is connected and power is applied to the IN pin, then there will only be an output voltage on the OUT pin if CE is set logic high (i.e. the Q1 mosfet will not connect OUT to IN if CE is logic low at power-on). However, as I see it, CE will never be set high, since the 2.8V regulator will never be turned on since the Q1 mosfet, and thereby the BQ24070 OUT, is never activated... the situation kind of bites itself in the tail. Or perhaps I have misuderstood how the BQ24070 acts when powered up?

Then instead I am thinking of connecting CE to the Vref pin, so that CE goes high when an AC-adapter is connected. I guess it doesn't matter that Vref, and thereby CE, is low when only a battery (but no AC-adapter) is connected, since the charging function doesn't need to be enabled when no adapter is present. Or do you think it is a wrong approach to connect CE to Vref?

(I guess CE could also be connected to the IN pin. However, the datasheet says the voltage on any logic input must not be higher than 7V. Since my application may sometimes be powered from a 12V car battery this could perhaps be a problem, unless some voltage limiting circuitry like a series resistor and voltage clamping transzorb is used to protect the CE input from overvoltages).

Best regards,
Peter

  • Peter,

     

    Connect them to the input, because if there no input there is no charging, thus it does not matter the CE and ISET2 pins status.

     

    Thanks

    Tahar

  • Hi Tahar

    Thanks for helping.

    My application will sometimes be supplied from a 12V car battery connected to IN, which could damage the CE, Mode and ISET2 inputs since they can only handle up to 7V according to the datasheet.
    Even if a 100 kohm current limiting resistor between IN and the 3 inputs is used (as in the SLUU248A appnote), I guess there will still be around 12V on the inputs, and I will prefer not having to use a zener or transzorb diode to clamp the voltage if possible.

    Instead do you think it will be okay to connect CE, Mode and ISET2 directly to the 3.3V Vref output pin?

    Or will the Vref reference voltage only be active/turned on when the CE pin has already been set logic high? That would make it necessary to use IN for the CE pin.

    Another thing, on page 21 it says: "It is recommended to install a minimum of 33uF capacitor on the BAT pin. This ensures proper hot plug power up with a no-load condition". However, on all the datasheet schematics only a 1uF or sometimes a 10uF capacitor is shown on the BAT pin. Do you know if 1uF is enough, or should a 33uF be used?

    Best regards,
    Peter

  • Hi Peter,

     

    Can you use a resistor voltage divider from IN the CE? For the cap on the BAT to VSS is a recommended value but it is not required.

     

    Thanks!

    Tahar

  • Hi Tahar

    I would like to avoid the resistor divider if possible. Since IN can vary between 5 to 14V the voltage on CE pin may go below the logic threshold voltage or higher than the 7V max allowed voltage.

    Will it be ok to connect CE to the Vref pin instead?
    Is Vref always turned on when an adapter is connected, or is it turned off when CE is low (I can't find any info on this in the datasheet)?

    Thanks

  • Hi Peter,

     

    Vref is on only if the USB/AC adapter is present based on the data sheet on page 6 (Electrical characteristic table, Vref output).  

     

    Thanks

    Tahar