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TPS25983: TPS259830LNRGE Active Time Issue and Hot/Cold Test

Part Number: TPS25983

Tool/software:

Hello Team,

I came across the TPS259830LNRGE product for use in a project due to its current limiting feature and wanted to test it. To conduct tests with this product, I purchased the TPS25983EVM evaluation module and started experimenting.

My goal is to use a 12V power line with a 0.7-ohm load resistance at the output, ensuring it remains on for at least 50ms while drawing 7.5A.

I have conducted some experiments on this topic and have two questions:

1-Failure to Operate Properly at Room Temperature
The setup on the EVM board is as follows:

J9 Open
J10 210ohm
J6 1-2 Position
J11 1-2 Position
J4 Open
J12 1-2 Position
R1 1M
R2 124K
J13 Close
C3 DNP
Vin Line CAP AL,220 uF 35 V

The setup is configured, and power is applied to the 12V line.

The load is connected using a switch.The oscilloscope capture is as follows:

(Continue with the details or attach the oscilloscope image)

  1. What is the reason for the peak observed at the initial startup on channel 3?
  2. Is the short on-time of the line caused by thermal shutdown?
  3. Could the peak observed on channel 3 trigger any protection mechanism, and how can this peak be reduced?
  4. How can I ensure that this line remains on for at least 50ms?

The current drawn from the line was increased slightly above 1 ohm by adding a 0.33-ohm resistor in series with the 0.75-ohm resistor, and the test was repeated. The capture is shown below.

As seen, no peak is observed, and the line remains on for approximately 158 ms.

Since the current is intended to be limited to 7.5A, the Ilim resistor value was set to 242 ohms, and the test result is shown below.

2-Failure to Operate Properly in Cold Test

The tests under this heading were conducted with 0.75 + 0.33 ohm resistors in series.

Several modifications were made to the EVM board, and a chamber test was conducted to observe its performance at different temperatures.

J9 Open
J10 242ohm
J6 1-2 Position
J11 1-2 Position
J4 Open
J12 1-2 Position
R1 1M
R2 200K
J13 Open
C3 DNP
Vin Line CAP AL,220 uF 35 V

The test was first conducted at 65°C, and the results are shown below.

As seen, it operates for approximately 50ms.

Next, the test was conducted at -40°C, and it was observed that the system did not operate properly.

As seen, the line remained active for less than 4ms.

After observing this result, the temperature was increased by 10°C and tested sequentially at -30°C, -20°C, -10°C, and 0°C. There was no significant change observed. The line's on-time for each temperature was as follows:

  • 3.627ms at -30°C
  • 3.827ms at -20°C
  • 4.227ms at -10°C
  • 5ms at 0°C
  1. If it is shutting down due to thermal shutdown, why does it behave this way in cold temperatures?

  2. In general, what could be the cause of this behavior, and what solutions would you recommend?

Thank you in advance for your support.

Best regards,
Arslan.

  • Hi Arslan,

    Thank you for providing detailed description of your issue. I will get back to you by tomorrow morning. I was doing some other task today so wasn't able to get back to you.

    Best regards,
    Arush

  • Hi Arslan,

    1-Failure to Operate Properly at Room Temperature
    What is the reason for the peak observed at the initial startup on channel 3?

    It looks like device didn't immediately limit the current. Instead UVLO happened initially which turned off the Vout and also then device started again once UVLO condition is removed. The device looks to be limiting the current at near 9A but for 210Ohms ILIM resistor, limit should be around 7A. Can you please reverify the resistor value?

    Is the short on-time of the line caused by thermal shutdown?

    Do you mean why it is turning off after limiting the current for some time. Yes, this should be TSD turning off the device. 

    How can I ensure that this line remains on for at least 50ms?

    It looks like due to this peak, UVLO happened and device had to do retry during which device failed in 2ms due to TSD. 

    With 1Ohm load, you are drawing lesser current. I don't see any peak current which is resulting in UVLO triggering so no device restart and hence no fail.

    Just for testing, can you try the first test with external EN pin supply of 2V or increase R2 to reduce the EN threshold. This will prevent any UVLO and prevent device retry so TSD shouldn't happen.

    Reason for the peak is still unknow. I suspect this is mostly due to setup. Did you change any setup between these two tests. 

    2-Failure to Operate Properly in Cold Test

    I see there is peak here also (65C test with higher resistive load)

    Just want to confirm, are you expecting this in your setup? 

    Best Regards,
    Arush

  • Hi Arush,

    First of all, thank you for your feedback. I will check the points you mentioned and get back to you.

    Do you have any idea why the device shuts down quickly when cold? Honestly, I was expecting issues during the hot test, but I was surprised to see problems occurring in the cold test.

  • Hi Omer,

    First of all, thank you for your feedback. I will check the points you mentioned and get back to you.

    I will wait for your findings.

    I understand that reducing the ambient temperature should have helped here. The issue is if 35-40W power dissipation happens on the device, it will go to TSD even if testing is done at -40C. 

    Can you tell me about your test setup. What is the power supply and how did you apply the load. Is it eload? which mode of eload are you using? Also are you using PSU or some other upstream circuitry is supplying power. 

    Best Regards,
    Arush