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BQ25856-Q1: Power management forum

Part Number: BQ25856-Q1
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: BQ25798

Tool/software:

Refer to the blcok of attached BQ25856 charging power to be supplied to Li-Battery package and audio amplier product. We are invetigating if it is possible or not that  more power to the speaker  can be supplied from not only Li-Battery but also Input Charge Power at the same time, and how much total power it can be if possible.
(As an assumption,  when the load becomes heavy due to dynamic audio output changing, the expectation is  theoretically it can  supply a maximum of 84W (8.4V x 10A) from the batt + 60W (12V x 5A, assuming 100% efficiency) from Input Charge power= 144W under the situation of full power battery)

Could you give us the opinion on whether or not it is possible to achieve the expection. Below is our concerns including the charging operation management, pls also check them and let us know the results.

In case of simultaneous supply, the following points are assumed to be checked:
(1) Due to the limited performance of Li-Batt, the max. charge current is less than 2.6A, when voltage rises to Vbatlowv, charge IC supplies constant current (fixed at only 2.6A) output, so there is no more margin for audio amplier, and only Battery can supply 2.6A or less, is this understanding correct?
2) When the voltage rises to Vfb_reg (8.4V), the constant voltage is supplied and the charging current is also lower and lower, then  the Charge IC output can supply more power of almost whole power 12V/5A , and synchronously Battery will supply the whole power 8.4V x 10A to amplier for maximum power to achieve the expectation,  is it correct and avaible ?
3) If the voltage drops below Vrechg due to load consumption, Charge IC will change to a constant current charging of 2.6A, and once again there will be no margin to the amplier, except the supplying from the battery with only 2.6A.
(4) If the hysteresis between Vfb_reg and Vrechg setting is too small, the operation will become unstable due to repetition of (1), (2), and (3), so we think Vrechg threshold need be setted to same as Vbatlow (3.0V*2=6V) instead of the recommended value of 4.1V*2=8.2V for stable operation, is there any concern?  Of course we are assuming that the battery charge  often becomes not full.

Ple find the block and charging operation with charge current curve below, we will appreciate very much for your opinion for the whole solution. 

BQ25856 CHARGING SULUTION AND ISSUES.xlsx

  • Hello,

    Thanks for being patient with this. We are very busy at the moment and I will get back to your question later this week.

    Best Regards,
    Ethan Galloway

  • Hello Gang,

    Once again, thanks for being patient with this.

    1. Yes, the BQ25856 current will be limited to the fast charge current (2.6A) if the battery voltage is above VBAT_LOWV. Current will be drawn from both the battery and the charger as the system load increases above 2.6A.

    2. The fast charge current sets a limit to how much current the BQ25856 can supply. The BQ25856 output current will still be limited to 2.6A in constant voltage mode.

    3. The available output current of the BQ25856 won't change when the BQ25856 goes below the recharge threshold.

    4. The Vrechg setting is based off of the Vfb_reg setting. I've never seen a problem with instability because of this. There is no concern for setting the Vrechg threshold lower though. I've attached a screenshot of the datasheet below with the available settings.

    For your application, can you use a microcontroller to dynamically change the charge current based off the system load?

    If you don't need an automotive rated part, could you use the BQ25798?

    Let me know if you have any questions about this.

    Best Regards,
    Ethan Galloway